Match Thread. Swans v Geelong.

[goods78]

For those who heard 'touched', has anyone considered that it was not an umpire, but rather a player or spectator who called 'touched'?

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[Kafka's Ghost]

No. I heard "Touched, play on! Touched play on!" Consequently I wasn't the least bit anxious when Cameron caught the ball. I could see he was well covered by tacklers. Spectators and players don't have mikes.

My mates were also sure it was “touched, play on”. As one of them said today, “not enough syllables happening” for “not 15, play on”. Having done some work in TV in my younger days, I’m now wondering if Fox Footy overdubbed the sequence.
In the end though, whether this is a confected controversy or not, we still won, despite the 3 gift goals the Cats got.
As for AFL360, what was once compelling viewing has morphed into a bit of self-indulgence from the two hosts, and is no longer part of my footy media landscape.

[iigrover]

Are you guys who heard the “touched play on” call sitting in the Swans cheer squad who sit on the fence in that part of the ground?

I also heard "touched play on, touched play on, touched play on" when I watched the 'Last 2 minutes' video of the AFL website here: Last Two Minutes: Sydney Swans clinch a thriller

On that video, I there is absolutely no way I could reintepret that audio as saying "play on not 15"

However, the commentator said he thought the umpire said "not 15"

So I wonder if one umpire said "touched, play on", (picked up on Channel 7 broadcast), whereas the other umpire's audio of "not 15" went to the commentators/Fox Footy? If thats the case, and one umpire spotted and called 'touched', regardless of an incorrect call by the other other umpire, Play-on was the correct decision.

In any event, as many others have pointed out, the Cats were beneficiaries of a number of other inarguably incorrect decisions throughout the game that directly resulted goals. So the ourtcome for the game was fair.

[bloodspirit]

I also heard "touched play on, touched play on, touched play on" when I watched the 'Last 2 minutes' video of the AFL website here: Last Two Minutes: Sydney Swans clinch a thriller

On that video, I there is absolutely no way I could reintepret that audio as saying "play on not 15"

However, the commentator said he thought the umpire said "not 15"

So I wonder if one umpire said "touched, play on", (picked up on Channel 7 broadcast), whereas the other umpire's audio of "not 15" went to the commentators/Fox Footy? If thats the case, and one umpire spotted and called 'touched', regardless of an incorrect call by the other other umpire, Play-on was the correct decision.

In any event, as many others have pointed out, the Cats were beneficiaries of a number of other inarguably incorrect decisions throughout the game that directly resulted goals. So the ourtcome for the game was fair.

I'm amused by this analysis of the recording(s) which may one day come to rival the scrutiny of the Zapruder film of the JFK assassination. I just had a quick listen. The relevant bit is at about 3:53 in the link you have posted and about the only thing I can hear is "play on". Agree that I definitely don't hear "not 15" but also can't hear "touched". However, when you play it backwards at about 70% speed, I think I can hear it saying "get stuffed Geelong" in a deep, guttural kind of way. The footy gods have spoken.

[Faunac8]

I must admit when I first listened during the broadcast and then after a couple of rewinds that I couldn’t pick up the play on comment. However it’s quite obvious and I have rewound it 20 times now that one of the umpires is definitely calling touched play on while the ball is in transit to Cameron. Richo appears to have poisoned opinion with his commentary which was quickly picked up by the other Vic centric commentators as fact

[Kafka's Ghost]

I'm amused by this analysis of the recording(s) which may one day come to rival the scrutiny of the Zapruder film of the JFK assassination. I just had a quick listen. The relevant bit is at about 3:53 in the link you have posted and about the only thing I can hear is "play on". Agree that I definitely don't hear "not 15" but also can't hear "touched". However, when you play it backwards at about 70% speed, I think I can hear it saying "get stuffed Geelong" in a deep, guttural kind of way. The footy gods have spoken.

Outstanding. If you slow it to 50%, you can definitely hear “get stuffed Geelong”. Like the story of the boy who threw the apple core that hit Doug Wade’s boot, ruining his shot for goal in 1970, and thereby ensuring the Swans would play finals for the first time in 25 years, this will go down in Bloods folklore.

[TheBloods]

Outstanding. If you slow it to 50%, you can definitely hear “get stuffed Geelong”. Like the story of the boy who threw the apple core that hit Doug Wade’s boot, ruining his shot for goal in 1970, and thereby ensuring the Swans would play finals for the first time in 25 years, this will go down in Bloods folklore.

Doug Wade was a thug, couldnt have happened to a more fitting bloke !

[neilfws]

I'm amused by this analysis of the recording(s) which may one day come to rival the scrutiny of the Zapruder film of the JFK assassination.

I confess (you won't be surprised) that I have extracted the audio from the video, and am in the process of feeding it through various software packages to try and remove crowd noise and shouty commentary. If I hear the 3rd gunshot on the motorcycle dictabelt recording, I'll let you know.

For anyone listening: the key part is when Darcy says "boot to ball". The umpire starts to speak at about the same time, so the word that may be "touched" is hard to hear, but the "play on" is quite clear.

So someone is shouting "play on" pretty much as the ball is kicked towards Cameron.

[bloodspirit]

I'm impressed! Once you've cleared out the peripheral noise, you'll have to share the final product with us.

[Scottee]

As I previously tried to say, the plot thickens!

Umpires coach Kennedy leaves AFL suddenly

[Mark26]

I'm impressed! Once you've cleared out the peripheral noise, you'll have to share the final product with us.

+1

[Markwebbos]

Makes me think of two films: one of which is masterful and the other has Sean Young:

The Conversation and No Way Out

[bennyfabulous]

I confess (you won't be surprised) that I have extracted the audio from the video, and am in the process of feeding it through various software packages to try and remove crowd noise and shouty commentary. If I hear the 3rd gunshot on the motorcycle dictabelt recording, I'll let you know.

For anyone listening: the key part is when Darcy says "boot to ball". The umpire starts to speak at about the same time, so the word that may be "touched" is hard to hear, but the "play on" is quite clear.

So someone is shouting "play on" pretty much as the ball is kicked towards Cameron.

Haha im doing the same. Im going to run a couple filters over it. (Only doing it now because the the umpire boss retired and i reckon i heard that @@@@ umpire nicholls voice all night and it didnt sound right & i love a conspiracy theory). I'll post it here only if it confirms that the afl are corrupt. otherwise up yours geelong.

[rb4x]

Has anyone got a clear video image that shows whether the ball was actually touched? Could one umpire have called touched play on and the other not fifteen and both umpires got it wrong?

[neilfws]

Has anyone got a clear video image that shows whether the ball was actually touched? Could one umpire have called touched play on and the other not fifteen and both umpires got it wrong?

Oh I'm working on the video frames too

If anyone touched it, it was Ryan Clarke. Here is the key frame. You can see the kicker's boot and the ball, just emerging to the right of Menegola (27). Clarke is lunging across, between Guthrie and Menegola, and umpire Nicholls is right there watching closely.
A few frames later Nicholls' arm raises as though he may be signalling, but it's hard to be sure - he may just be starting to run.