Match Thread: Swans v Demons.

[Mel_C]

Papley is turning into a player I don’t admire:

- Always staging for free kicks
- Abusing umpires and giving away a 50.
- Not using teammates when they are in better position.
- On a performance level he is dropping marking opportunities and fumbling the ball.

Maybe it’s time to trade him out.

I agree with 3 of your 4 points. Disagree that he doesn't use teammates in a better position. I feel this year that he has become unselfish and he is passing the ball more. He is our barometer in the forward line and we need him buzzing around.

[MattW]

I thought we were very good against a very good side who are very well drilled. The Mills goal was the only way things were going to work for us with lever and May in defence. We just needed some run and some composure in the middle.
This performance will hold us in good stead. I reckon Longmire knew how to beat Melbourne but in the end we were not good enough.
Thought the three players who will be under pressure - Sinclair, wicks and oriordan.
Fox was amazing for first game back. Cunningham was amazing too. The opposition are putting pressure on Dawson and taking his time away.

I agree that Sinclair, Wicks and O’Riordan are not best 22. Let’s get Braeden in for Colin, and if Reid isn’t fit, Logan in for Sinclair. Wicks may ultimately be, but needs a break.

[stevoswan]

Why does sinclair go for marks one handed, in the rain?

I think I remember that one, pretty much in front of goal. I think he wanted to tap it to a team mate but should have just marked it as he was basically unopposed. Silly decision. Can't take a bloody chest mark either. As a Lever decoy (only 9 disposals), it sort of worked tonight and as much as he tries his guts out, I think his time is nigh. He provides depth value only now.

[MattW]

Positives:

Absolutely sensational game from Mills.

Another stormer from Warner, who’s fast becoming a personal favourite.

I thought Lloyd embarrassed the chronic detractors; ran as hard as anyone.

As good as McInerney has played in a tight game.

[goods78]

How Sinclair was selected on a greasy night is beyond me. Could be his last game for a while.

Buddy did not look like he was moving well at all and unfortunately was up against a good defender. I don’t want him finishing off his career trying to milk free kicks. Play him when the medical team and coaches both deem he is fit.


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[Vonsteinman]

I love that we really gave ourselves a shot at this against the benchmark and there is bloodletting.

Lighten up.

So much upside from tonight. We were two kicks away from winning against the undefeated side with our new forward line producing sweet fa.

We are right in this season, up to our eyeballs.

[troyjones2525]

Why does sinclair go for marks one handed, in the rain?

Was thinking the same thing Barry. Often goes up one handed.

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[crackedactor 01]

Great effort by the boys. I felt the only difference on the day was Oliver, whom never seem to fumble the ball when almost everyone else had the fumbles.

[liz]

I agree that Sinclair, Wicks and O’Riordan are not best 22. Let’s get Braeden in for Colin, and if Reid isn’t fit, Logan in for Sinclair. Wicks may ultimately be, but needs a break.

I thought COR looked lost in the first half. Lost and fumbly. But he turned it around after half-time and did some good stuff. I'm not sure Campbell would have been any better at this stage of his career.

Positives:


Another stormer from Warner, who’s fast becoming a personal favourite.

Warner continues to be a revelation this year. Or maybe he's done it so regularly that I should stop being surprised.

Watching Oliver (who had a very good game), it occurred to me that one day (hopefully soon) Warner will develop the supreme confidence in his ability that Oliver has, and then watch out. (Another season or two of strength conditioning will help too.)

[Bangalore Swans]

I agree with 3 of your 4 points. Disagree that he doesn't use teammates in a better position. I feel this year that he has become unselfish and he is passing the ball more. He is our barometer in the forward line and we need him buzzing around.

Papley is buzzing around and I can’t fault him on effect or intensity. He is perhaps going too fast and that leads him to not having the composure of a Tony Green.

I believe he can become as good as Green in time.

I think showing due respect to the umpires is an important fundamental in AFL. By abusing an umpire and giving a 50m he is demonstrating a complete lack of respect for umpires.

[bennyfabulous]

Papley is buzzing around and I can’t fault him on effect or intensity. He is perhaps going too fast and that leads him to not having the composure of a Tony Green.

I believe he can become as good as Green in time.

I think showing due respect to the umpires is an important fundamental in AFL. By abusing an umpire and giving a 50m he is demonstrating a complete lack of respect for umpires.

You have to earn respect mate. I cant say even 1 of them deserves respect atm.

[MattW]

I thought COR looked lost in the first half. Lost and fumbly. But he turned it around after half-time and did some good stuff. I'm not sure Campbell would have been any better at this stage of his career.



Warner continues to be a revelation this year. Or maybe he's done it so regularly that I should stop being surprised.

Watching Oliver (who had a very good game), it occurred to me that one day (hopefully soon) Warner will develop the supreme confidence in his ability that Oliver has, and then watch out. (Another season or two of strength conditioning will help too.)

On Colin and Braeden:
- Braeden offers a better kick, ambition, counterpunch run. Probably not as strong, sure.
- unless we think it’s detrimental to play Braeden, his development is a comparative priority.

Warner is already our most powerful midfield runner. Nearest competition is Florent, but the latter is more evasive. Chad is power - in the hips, with speed, takes initiative. He’s going to be frighteningly good.

[Nico]

I was at the game and but for a couple of critical fumbles we could have won. I had a great view and Melbourne we very good at clogging up the area 30 metres from our goal. I think our forwards worked very hard at keeping the ball in our forward line. Not enough credit given to our backline who played with great desperation.

Just a point with Errol; there were a couple of times where he didn't pick up cleanly and it looked to me he was waiting for body contact to play for a free.

We had a lot of the play in the last quarter and just couldn't get that little bit of luck to go our way. At the game the umpiring didn't look too bad but then again sometimes at the game you can't pick some those holds on players as mentioned in previous posts.

That was a tough hard game of footy and we just kept coming.

I bet Melbourne supporters are whingeing just as much as Swans supporters, because at the game when a Swans got a finger nail on the footy it was, "ball".

That was a top of the table game and as others have said we are on the way.

On Chad Warner; he is a genuine gun but the stats only give him 9 kicks and 6 handballs. Could it be that Mills gets some of his stats. I just love Chads desperation and he has a super tank.

[liz]

On Colin and Braeden:
- Braeden offers a better kick, ambition, counterpunch run. Probably not as strong, sure.
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I think Colin is better defensively at the moment. And while Campbell possesses a powerful kick, he's still learning how and when to use it. In last week's VFL game he was guilty of trying to kick it as far and hard as he could at every opportunity, irrespective of what was in front of him. He'll soon learn it's a weapon to use judiciously, and that "great AFL kicks" have a variety of tools in their kit bag.

[liz]

On Chad Warner; he is a genuine gun but the stats only give him 9 kicks and 6 handballs. Could it be that Mills gets some of his stats. I just love Chads desperation and he has a super tank.

I'd be surprised if Mills were being credited with Warner possessions.

I'm a little surprised he got that few because he seemed to be in the thick of the action. I reckon he had a lot of touches - knock ons - that don't receive credit in the stats. One of the things I like about him is that he stays in the contest when either he initially fumbles, or a team mate's disposal goes astray.