Best 22 Round 1 2022

[707]

I can’t remember referring to draft position anywhere. I’m confident no one else has either. Wicks is a fantastic player and I’m happy to have him playing for us. Who would you remove from my team to include Wicks?

Wasn't specifically referring to you AB but a lot of posters on here and BF tend to put players in based on their draft position rather than their current output.

That said, I don't envy the MC having to pick a side for R1, the two practice games will be crucial for so many players to push their case.

[TheBloods]

A bit simplistic maybe, but the forwards first job is to get the ball and score- or pass it to someone who can. Their second job is to regain possession if an opposing defender has the ball. Ideally, ALL our forwards should do this and exert pressure accordingly, not just Wicks. I think he had a fair season last year but this year I would like to see him do more, and certainly improve kicking for goal. But I do appreciate that his pressure game is good, however there will be intense competition for places so he may have to rise a level to keep his spot.

Disagree , you dont need all 6 doing that . You can have 5 scoring and 1 making it easier for them . Thats Wicks job . I havent rated him much in the past and if his pressure drops he has little to offer but as long as he keeps his pressure up he has more of a purpose than a few others who made AB 's team

[Ralph Dawg]

I remember when Dawson was going ok in reserves and getting the odd game in firsts, I was particularly impressed with his raking kick. Not sure if it was here on another site but I made the suggestion he would be good off half back. Fellow posters disagreed, I think citing his fitness, speed and lack of mongrel as reasons against my suggestion. He then got himself in shape then as they say the rest is history.

I see many parallels with Gould and 2022 is clearly make or break for him. He is my tip as the smokey for this year, playing a similar role that Dawson played off HB. Gould is strong overhead and has a lovely right kick. He will also have the added benefit of providing a bit more defensive muscle compared to Jordan. Campbell can also provide the drive Dawson did, with better run and carry but less marking ability.

[NeonBible]

I feel for AB Swannie! They have merely put forward their best 22 for rd 1, like so many others have! Including myself! But it's been picked apart and taken as gospel! Not to mention they couldn't have been clearer that they DO like Wicks and would be happy to see him in the team!

They are spot on that there are going to be some very worthy players unfortunately missing games this season!! It's a great position to be in and we have all been celebrating that since the draft! AB Swannie has said Wicks, i have said Rowbottom, others have said Campbell! It's not news to any of us! Lets try not to pick apart each others 22s because at the end of the day.. none of us are the coaches and we are all clueless as to what the ACTUAL coaches will do or think until the rd 1 team is announced!! Not long to go now!!

CHEER CHEER

[Auntie.Gerald]

imagine if Dawso and and Hewett were still here.......how many players would be missing out in the 22 each week !

[stevoswan]

Disagree , you dont need all 6 doing that . You can have 5 scoring and 1 making it easier for them . Thats Wicks job . I havent rated him much in the past and if his pressure drops he has little to offer but as long as he keeps his pressure up he has more of a purpose than a few others who made AB 's team

So you're implying that when we haven't got possession in our forward line, the 5 'scorers' just let the ball waltz out of our forward line while giving Wicks daggers as if to say 'it's your job to keep the ball in here!'....?

Sorry, it's up to every forward to apply defensive pressure when we are not in possession. Wicks is just so good at it so gets the tag 'defensive forward'. This does not preclude all other forwards from applying the same defensive pressure or give them the excuse to be lazy and leave it all to one player.

[TheBloods]

So you're implying that when we haven't got possession in our forward line, the 5 'scorers' just let the ball waltz out of our forward line while giving Wicks daggers as if to say 'it's your job to keep the ball in here!'....?

Sorry, it's up to every forward to apply defensive pressure when we are not in possession. Wicks is just so good at it so gets the tag 'defensive forward'. This does not preclude all other forwards from applying the same defensive pressure or give them the excuse to be lazy and leave it all to one player.

Well sorry mate thats the way it works . Buddy Papley etc wouldnt be the players they are if they had to put the same amount of work rate in off the ball as someone like Wicks .

[Goal Sneak]

The same old Wicks debate looks to continue on from last season! It's a perfectly valid argument, I understand people wanting to replace him with more talented squad members. I doubt the coaches see it that way, knowing the contribution he provides and still at such an early stage of his career.

If Wicks can improve on last year, it's is going to take some serious competition to have him dropped. It's a sign of our depth that this could actually be the case.

[stevoswan]

Well sorry mate thats the way it works . Buddy Papley etc wouldnt be the players they are if they had to put the same amount of work rate in off the ball as someone like Wicks .

So you ARE saying that only ONE player is responsible for 'forward defensive pressure'.....just one. No one else on the forward line is required to put on any defensive pressure, ever.....when we are without the ball?

Wow.....

[TheBloods]

So you ARE saying that only ONE player is responsible for 'forward defensive pressure'.....just one. No one else on the forward line is required to put on any defensive pressure, ever.....when we are without the ball?

Wow.....

No , have another read , i said they shouldnt be putting the SAMe amount of pressure on as Wicks , otherwise their role is different and they dont become the players we need them to be ! Never said anything about them not having to put any on at all ,

[stevoswan]

No , have another read , i said they shouldnt be putting the SAMe amount of pressure on as Wicks , otherwise their role is different and they dont become the players we need them to be ! Never said anything about them not having to put any on at all ,

Which I never said. I believe this was Roadrunners original point......to share the forward defensive load and not leave it all to Wicks.

[TheBloods]

Which I never said. I believe this was Roadrunners original point......to share the forward defensive load and not leave it all to Wicks.

Thats not what you said , read your last comment

"No one else on the forward line is required to put on any defensive pressure ever"

Im in favour of sharing the work load but your joking if you think any of them can do it to Wicks level week in week out . And we dont want them to , it would just take away from the things they are good at , like winning the ball and scoring .MAybe in fantasy land its possible to do the defensive stuff that Wicks does and still be dangerous with the ball like Paps, Buddy are , but not in the real world . Someone on here posted last yr Wicks' numbers for pressure acts , they were thru the roof , and its no coincidence that when he is getting numbers like that , Heeney and Papley are having career best yrs on the scoreboard , Buddys having his best season in ages , Hayward finds form again . The forward line is a GROUP . SIX of them . That doesnt mean they share roles , it means they all have different roles that work TOGETHER

[stevoswan]

Thats not what you said , read your last comment

"No one else on the forward line is required to put on any defensive pressure ever"

Im in favour of sharing the work load but your joking if you think any of them can do it to Wicks level week in week out . And we dont want them to , it would just take away from the things they are good at , like winning the ball and scoring .MAybe in fantasy land its possible to do the defensive stuff that Wicks does and still be dangerous with the ball like Paps, Buddy are , but not in the real world . Someone on here posted last yr Wicks' numbers for pressure acts , they were thru the roof , and its no coincidence that when he is getting numbers like that , Heeney and Papley are having career best yrs on the scoreboard , Buddys having his best season in ages , Hayward finds form again . The forward line is a GROUP . SIX of them . That doesnt mean they share roles , it means they all have different roles that work TOGETHER

No, what I claimed is that I never said that the other forwards should put in as much defensive effort as Wicks.....just that they have to apply some.....not none.

[Roadrunner]

No, what I claimed is that I never said that the other forwards should put in as much defensive effort as Wicks.....just that they have to apply some.....not none.

Exactly Stevoswan- that is my view. Wicks is seen as THE pressure forward and while his work may result in more opportunities for Paps and the other forwards, I can’t see why they can’t also apply the same pressure as Wicks.

Would like TB to explain why you need Wicks to be the main, though not the only forward assigned this task.

[TheBloods]

Exactly Stevoswan- that is my view. Wicks is seen as THE pressure forward and while his work may result in more opportunities for Paps and the other forwards, I can’t see why they can’t also apply the same pressure as Wicks.

Would like TB to explain why you need Wicks to be the main, though not the only forward assigned this task.

Watch Papley , Heeney or Hayward , these guys , they work into the right positions on the outside / end of a chain to receive the ball , go back and watch how many of Paps goals this yr were him on the end of a chain of handballs and tackles and chasing ,. They have that luxury because you have guys like Wicks and Bell who dont have much else to offer , no offence to them , but they are good at their role and stick to it . Its discipline and hard work and constant pressure , things that Buddy , Papley , Heeney etc aren 't used to doing because they are the talented ones who finish with their skill and execution . If you tried to get them to do the stuff Wicks does , it would only take away from their strengths . You forgotten how Jetta went when we tried to add a defensive side to his game ?

Its not complicated . If they have a chance to tackle or chase then they should , they aren 't lazy pricks , but otherwise it is best left to the guys like Wicks , that is what they are in the team to do so that the rest can worry about building us a solid score !