Sam Reid is the Key Defender we need!

[Goal Sneak]

Campbell is no longer training with the defenders. So I doubt he will be wasted down there.

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Good point, for the most part it was taken from the Swans website. The only additions were Sam (who is still listed as a forward) and Paddy who is not listed at all.

[Mountain Man]

Thanks for the "actual' data - it sure shows what an extraordinary player Rampe has been at that height and weight.

[Markwebbos]

Agree. But I think the end is near and he sees the final curtain.

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But more, much more than this he did it Sam’s way

[Goal Sneak]

Thanks for the "actual' data - it sure shows what an extraordinary player Rampe has been at that height and weight.

He's been outstanding at leading the backline, punching way above his weight through some very tough years down back. As wolftone57 mentioned, he also provides a great opportunity for the younger brigade to learn from him directly the more they play together.

One of my favourite players for sure.

[liz]

Thanks for the "actual' data - it sure shows what an extraordinary player Rampe has been at that height and weight.

Following the "tradition" set by Leo Barry and Craig Bolton. Shows that being a key defender is as much about mindset and technique as it is physical attributes.

(Though I acknowledge that rule interpretations have gradually made it harder for smaller players to play as effective key defenders over the past decade or so.)

[707]

Following the "tradition" set by Leo Barry and Craig Bolton. Shows that being a key defender is as much about mindset and technique as it is physical attributes.

(Though I acknowledge that rule interpretations have gradually made it harder for smaller players to play as effective key defenders over the past decade or so.)

Also, KP players are getting taller, there's so many 200cm+ forwards nowadays, you just can't give away that much height and reach for a whole game, week in, week out.

[bloodspirit]

Thanks for the "actual' data - it sure shows what an extraordinary player Rampe has been at that height and weight.

Yeah. It's interesting that Rampe is classified as a 'Key' defender (and that is how the coaches deploy him) whereas Gould, O'Connor, Blakey and even Paddy are all described as 'Medium' defenders or as a just a 'defender' (Paddy).

The other thing that caught my eye, is that Ryan Clarke is listed. They have described him as a 'medium defender'. I can't remember him ever being called anything except a midfielder. Curious. Maybe they want to trial him in a new role.

Braeden Campbell is also still listed as a 'defender', Gulden is a 'forward' (as are Bell, Sheather and Rankin) and McInerney is a 'midfielder' (as are Roberts and Sheldrick). I'm not sure to what extent this matches up with the groups they are joining at training but I will try to notice next time I go to watch.

[Goal Sneak]

Yeah. It's interesting that Rampe is classified as a 'Key' defender (and that is how the coaches deploy him) whereas Gould, O'Connor, Blakey and even Paddy are all described as 'Medium' defenders or as a just a 'defender' (Paddy).

The other thing that caught my eye, is that Ryan Clarke is listed. They have described him as a 'medium defender'. I can't remember him ever being called anything except a midfielder. Curious. Maybe they want to trial him in a new role.

Braeden Campbell is also still listed as a 'defender', Gulden is a 'forward' (as are Bell, Sheather and Rankin) and McInerney is a 'midfielder' (as are Roberts and Sheldrick). I'm not sure to what extent this matches up with the groups they are joining at training but I will try to notice next time I go to watch.

It's not the most up to date data, even though taken off the Swans website yesterday. The way they're listed doesn't accommodate for dual-positions which could be applied to many of our squad.

I was the one who listed Paddy (and Sam) as simply "Defender'. To be honest, I couldn't figure out how to classify them using the current position listings.

[wolftone57]

It's not the most up to date data, even though taken off the Swans website yesterday. The way they're listed doesn't accommodate for dual-positions which could be applied to many of our squad.

I was the one who listed Paddy (and Sam) as simply "Defender'. To be honest, I couldn't figure out how to classify them using the current position listings.

They are key defenders and therefore should be allocated as such. I see Rampe vamping into s flanker this year as we have some really big defenders now. I think that is what the coaches want too. Key forwards are getting bigger but he isn't and the rule interpretations do not suit him now.

The key defenders are:

Paddy McCartin
Tom McCartin
Lewis Melican
Barry O'Connor
Sam Reid

Medium or third talls

Dane Rampe
Will Gould
Nick Blakey (even though he is 195cm he does not play as a lock down defender)?
Robby Fox

Small Defenders

Jake Lloyd
Harry Cunningham
Dane Rampe
Justin McInerney
Colin O'Riordan
Maybe Lachy Rankin
Robby Fox

They have been teaching Gould how to lockdown at AFL level. This is not his natural game. The big fella is an intercept defender. I will make a prediction now. If he gets a chance this year he will do maximum damage to opponents all within the rules. He hits like a diesel locomotive. His tackles are huge. This guy is a one man wrecking ball. I hope he gets a go because I want to see that beautiful long raking drop punt hitting for ward's chests from CHB.


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[Goal Sneak]

They are key defenders and therefore should be allocated as such. I see Rampe vamping into s flanker this year as we have some really big defenders now. I think that is what the coaches want too. Key forwards are getting bigger but he isn't and the rule interpretations do not suit him now.

The key defenders are:

Paddy McCartin
Tom McCartin
Lewis Melican
Barry O'Connor
Sam Reid

Medium or third talls

Dane Rampe
Will Gould
Nick Blakey (even though he is 195cm he does not play as a lock down defender)?
Robby Fox

Small Defenders

Jake Lloyd
Harry Cunningham
Dane Rampe
Justin McInerney
Colin O'Riordan
Maybe Lachy Rankin
Robby Fox

They have been teaching Gould how to lockdown at AFL level. This is not his natural game. The big fella is an intercept defender. I will make a prediction now. If he gets a chance this year he will do maximum damage to opponents all within the rules. He hits like a diesel locomotive. His tackles are huge. This guy is a one man wrecking ball. I hope he gets a go because I want to see that beautiful long raking drop punt hitting for ward's chests from CHB.


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Great analysis. It'll be interesting to see how they use Sam. I can see him as an intercept type defender. He reads the play really well and is an excellent mark. We're yet to see him in a one on one, if he can defend in a lock down manner as his brother did, we'll have a real ace up our sleeve.

I would really love Gould to have a breakout season, from all reports he's ready to go.

[wolftone57]

Great analysis. It'll be interesting to see how they use Sam. I can see him as an intercept type defender. He reads the play really well and is an excellent mark. We're yet to see him in a one on one, if he can defend in a lock down manner as his brother did, we'll have a real ace up our sleeve.

I would really love Gould to have a breakout season, from all reports he's ready to go.

I think we will be a high rotation team this coming season. I think the coaches believe we bat very deeply. I believe that too. They have put a lot of work into Gould & O'Connor, working on their weaknesses while maintaining their strengths. For instance Gould is a natural intercept player who once he gets it breaks the game apart with huge 60-70 metre passes. He has been taught to defend on the big guys, to lock down. O'Connor is a natural runner, he is quick for a big guy. He also has been taught the lock down role. He has also been taught tempo footy. So in developing these guys over 2 years the coaches would be expecting to see results this year.

I think we will have multiple midfield rotations. We will rest players, change players to match and outplay opponents. Some times we will have 3 fast guys in the mids for instance against teams like Bombers. They get a lot of run and carry from a fast midfield. Other times we will have beasts in there, against Bullies etc.


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[bloodspirit]

I just posted in the Paddy thread about the possibility of a starting backline featuring:

Rampe Melican Lloyd
Cunningham TMac PMac
Blakey
Emergency: Campbell

It seems tall, but maybe not unacceptably so. Cunningham can guard nippy small forwards. Blakey is tall but would also match up on quick opponents. Rampe is uber-versatile and would be a great option against players like Dusty/Danger/Bont/DeGoey/Stringer when they're playing forward. He can also be the loose man, intercept and get off the chain a bit. Tom is pretty agile. Paddy reads and distributes the ball well. Melican isn't especially agile but he is reasonably quick. We would have multiple options we could play on the monster forwards - if one of those guys is getting beaten, we can switch them around. We would also be able to double team them.

Reid, I'm pretty sure is just going to be depth in case of injuries. Gould is also likely to have to wait for injuries to get a game. Fox could beat both of them for a spot that came up.

If all of those talls play seniors, our reserves team could be something like

COR BOC [Clarke??/VFL player?]
Gould Reid Campbell
Rankin

At training today: McInerney played wing (after playing in the backs earlier in pre-season), Campbell, Blakey & Rankin all played back, as did Reid, Gould and Paddy. Sheldrick played forward, Roberts played mids. I didn't notice Gulden and Sheather but Bell was playing forward, as was Taylor.

[wolftone57]

I just posted in the Paddy thread about the possibility of a starting backline featuring:

Rampe Melican Lloyd
Cunningham TMac PMac
Blakey
Emergency: Campbell

It seems tall, but maybe not unacceptably so. Cunningham can guard nippy small forwards. Blakey is tall but would also match up on quick opponents. Rampe is uber-versatile and would be a great option against players like Dusty/Danger/Bont/DeGoey/Stringer when they're playing forward. He can also be the loose man, intercept and get off the chain a bit. Tom is pretty agile. Paddy reads and distributes the ball well. Melican isn't especially agile but he is reasonably quick. We would have multiple options we could play on the monster forwards - if one of those guys is getting beaten, we can switch them around. We would also be able to double team them.

Reid, I'm pretty sure is just going to be depth in case of injuries. Gould is also likely to have to wait for injuries to get a game. Fox could beat both of them for a spot that came up.

If all of those talls play seniors, our reserves team could be something like

COR BOC [Clarke??/VFL player?]
Gould Reid Campbell
Rankin

At training today: McInerney played wing (after playing in the backs earlier in pre-season), Campbell, Blakey & Rankin all played back, as did Reid, Gould and Paddy. Sheldrick played forward, Roberts played mids. I didn't notice Gulden and Sheather but Bell was playing forward, as was Taylor.

Campbell is not training with the backs. He is with the mids. I don't see hi playing Ba k at all. HF/Mid.?

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[bloodspirit]

Campbell is not training with the backs. He is with the mids. I don't see hi playing Ba k at all. HF/Mid.?

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I was at training today. Campbell was training with the backs, mostly at the Paddington end of Lakeside Oval. He looked notably quick.

[wolftone57]

I was at training today. Campbell was training with the backs, mostly at the Paddington end of Lakeside Oval. He looked notably quick.

I see. Up until now he seems to have been training mainly forward according to vision. I wonder why this has changed

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