Round 9 vs Bombers @ SCG - match thread
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True enough, except that - until the quoted post - I don’t recall you ever referring to Bell as a C Grade player. You might have thought it, but never expressed it that way.
You might not see it that way, I suppose
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Rowbottom would be classified as a C grade midfielder if such an analysis occurred. Mills, Parker and Heeney would be A graders with Chad as a B grader. Florent is a C grader on current performance but good form would have him as a B grader.
TB analysis of Rowbottom being a C grader is exactly what a Fox Football panel analysing a Swans midfield would grade Rowbottom.
People on here must cease and desist the unmitigated attacks on TB.Comment
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I have to step in here. On Fox Footy shows for years the panelists have been analysing different teams midfield capacity by grading the midfielders as A, B or C graders. If you look at Geelong they would say that Dangerfield and Selwood are A graders and then they work down. There are always plenty of players whom are C-Graders.
Rowbottom would be classified as a C grade midfielder if such an analysis occurred. Mills, Parker and Heeney would be A graders with Chad as a B grader. Florent is a C grader on current performance but good form would have him as a B grader.
TB analysis of Rowbottom being a C grader is exactly what a Fox Football panel analysing a Swans midfield would grade Rowbottom.
TB, you are lucky to have such a staunch defender.
In this instance, Bangongalore, you are right. Media outlets (Fox, a variety of newspaper outlets, AFL.com.au etc) do use a letter grading to assess players and teams. So I must retract my objection at TB’s use of the letter grade classification. Entirely appropriate and a very good point you make.
And there it is! The irritating decree. I just can’t shake the mental image of Danny Devito and Arnold Schwarzenegger in Twins as I read posts such as this.Last edited by 0918330512; 16 May 2022, 05:36 PM.Comment
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I think it means that we can discuss Bell in the regular match threads.
While we're on the point, I think Bell had one of his typical games. He works hard, but doesn't contribute much. I think we have better selection choices. I would prefer to see Clarke, Gould, Roberts, Ronke, COR or Stephens in the senior side before selecting Bell. I don't know why we can't wait until Bell strings together a few near BOG performances in the VFL before he gets another run in the seniors. I don't see ow this is helping his development, nor the players who might be selected in his stead.Comment
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I have to step in here. On Fox Footy shows for years the panelists have been analysing different teams midfield capacity by grading the midfielders as A, B or C graders. If you look at Geelong they would say that Dangerfield and Selwood are A graders and then they work down. There are always plenty of players whom are C-Graders.
Rowbottom would be classified as a C grade midfielder if such an analysis occurred. Mills, Parker and Heeney would be A graders with Chad as a B grader. Florent is a C grader on current performance but good form would have him as a B grader.
TB analysis of Rowbottom being a C grader is exactly what a Fox Football panel analysing a Swans midfield would grade Rowbottom.
People on here must cease and desist the unmitigated attacks on TB.
NB: It's better to 'step in' with actual facts rather than 'opinion'.....you're getting into FoxNews territory doing that Banga.
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Excellent.....the challenge I mean.Comment
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I have to step in here. On Fox Footy shows for years the panelists have been analysing different teams midfield capacity by grading the midfielders as A, B or C graders. If you look at Geelong they would say that Dangerfield and Selwood are A graders and then they work down. There are always plenty of players whom are C-Graders.
Rowbottom would be classified as a C grade midfielder if such an analysis occurred. Mills, Parker and Heeney would be A graders with Chad as a B grader. Florent is a C grader on current performance but good form would have him as a B grader.
TB analysis of Rowbottom being a C grader is exactly what a Fox Football panel analysing a Swans midfield would grade Rowbottom.
People on here must cease and desist the unmitigated attacks on TB.
And this comment is of course ok as well as it’s what you would regularly hear on Fox Footy
“he was doing reckless stupid things when playing poor footy”
Your sycophantic efforts to protect him at all costs are to be admired however he knows what he is doing when he slips in inflammatory comments like that and to expect no blowback is naive.
And your regular directives on how others should think and behave can be filed you know where.Comment
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I have to step in here. On Fox Footy shows for years the panelists have been analysing different teams midfield capacity by grading the midfielders as A, B or C graders. If you look at Geelong they would say that Dangerfield and Selwood are A graders and then they work down. There are always plenty of players whom are C-Graders.
Rowbottom would be classified as a C grade midfielder if such an analysis occurred. Mills, Parker and Heeney would be A graders with Chad as a B grader. Florent is a C grader on current performance but good form would have him as a B grader.
TB analysis of Rowbottom being a C grader is exactly what a Fox Football panel analysing a Swans midfield would grade Rowbottom.
People on here must cease and desist the unmitigated attacks on TB.
Maybe we should leave RWO to A and B grade posters only, and let the trash contribute elsewhere.Comment
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The metrics Bell and Wicks are judged on by the coaches are: Pressure Acts, Tackles, and Getting to the right spot structurally. They are not judged on disposals or goals. Bell in particular is highly regarded by the players for his defensive efforts and hard body work. Wicks is a slightly better footballer. Both are simply filling a positional need in the team, necessary to keep the ball in the forward 50 providing repeat shots on goal, and allowing the mids and defense to get organised. It just so happens that by hard work and dedication these two are the best in the squad at filling this role. Are they the most gifted players, hell no, but they are the best at this required role. If Stephens, Ronke or Gouldy were better at this specific role they would be in the team and not Wicks or Bell. It is clear from things Longmire has said, and the fact that Wicks came back into the side the second he started playing ok in the VFL that Wicks is considered a best 22 player providing the defensive forward work. His 19 touches and 2 goals against Essendon is not going to happen every week and reflects how crap Essendon and Heppel were. However we should expect to see his 20 pressure acts a week.
I think there are some good footy brains on this forum but I can't understand why this is so hard to understand. I haven't heard rugby union lovers moaning that a forward prop doesn't get enough tries.
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We will find out over the next month!
We played a poor Bombers outfit so no real conclusions should be reached from that game.
The real proof will come over the next 3 weeks, when we play strong teams, and if one or both get selected.
I hope they contribute enough to allow our other forwards to score. I just don’t think they are good enough, but happy to be proved wrong!Comment
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Wicks already proved himself last year as one of the league’s best defensive forwards based on some of the stats floating around, yet most here are still trying to judge him purely on his offensive numbers.
Yes he could be better in his goal kicking and he’s still improving in that regard but I think we have enough firepower in that forward line with Buddy Heeney and Papley who all on their day can kick big bags. To a lesser extent Hayward and the other talls whether it be Ladhams McDonald McLean Amartey or Reid can also contribute
What Wicks does in his role is underappreciated except where it counts which is the coaches and his teammates. Do you think Hawthorn would have been sniffing around him last year when he was out of contract if he was just a below average fringe playerComment
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The metrics Bell and Wicks are judged on by the coaches are: Pressure Acts, Tackles, and Getting to the right spot structurally. They are not judged on disposals or goals. Bell in particular is highly regarded by the players for his defensive efforts and hard body work. Wicks is a slightly better footballer. Both are simply filling a positional need in the team, necessary to keep the ball in the forward 50 providing repeat shots on goal, and allowing the mids and defense to get organised. It just so happens that by hard work and dedication these two are the best in the squad at filling this role. Are they the most gifted players, hell no, but they are the best at this required role. If Stephens, Ronke or Gouldy were better at this specific role they would be in the team and not Wicks or Bell. It is clear from things Longmire has said, and the fact that Wicks came back into the side the second he started playing ok in the VFL that Wicks is considered a best 22 player providing the defensive forward work. His 19 touches and 2 goals against Essendon is not going to happen every week and reflects how crap Essendon and Heppel were. However we should expect to see his 20 pressure acts a week.
I think there are some good footy brains on this forum but I can't understand why this is so hard to understand. I haven't heard rugby union lovers moaning that a forward prop doesn't get enough tries.
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We will find out over the next month!Comment
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Wicks already proved himself last year as one of the league’s best defensive forwards based on some of the stats floating around, yet most here are still trying to judge him purely on his offensive numbers.
Yes he could be better in his goal kicking and he’s still improving in that regard but I think we have enough firepower in that forward line with Buddy Heeney and Papley who all on their day can kick big bags. To a lesser extent Hayward and the other talls whether it be Ladhams McDonald McLean Amartey or Reid can also contribute
What Wicks does in his role is underappreciated except where it counts which is the coaches and his teammates. Do you think Hawthorn would have been sniffing around him last year when he was out of contract if he was just a below average fringe playerComment
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Wicks already proved himself last year as one of the league’s best defensive forwards based on some of the stats floating around, yet most here are still trying to judge him purely on his offensive numbers.
Yes he could be better in his goal kicking and he’s still improving in that regard but I think we have enough firepower in that forward line with Buddy Heeney and Papley who all on their day can kick big bags. To a lesser extent Hayward and the other talls whether it be Ladhams McDonald McLean Amartey or Reid can also contribute
What Wicks does in his role is underappreciated except where it counts which is the coaches and his teammates. Do you think Hawthorn would have been sniffing around him last year when he was out of contract if he was just a below average fringe player
Agreed that coaches and team mates do appreciate the role. I will support this view as long as our forwards kick a winning score. When they don’t, I question the role of each and every forward.
If the Dawks were in for him, with due respect, it doesn’t mean much!Comment
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