Round 11 v Richmond Tigers @ SCG

[MattW]

Birdies - Hayward, Ladhams, Warner, Franklin, Mills, Rowbottom

Bogeys - Heeney, Wicks, McInerney, Campbell, Roberts

Yes, ok. Buddy and Warner might be in eagle territory.

I thought Lloyd had his best game of the year and Colin's second half was as good as he's played. Gulden was down on possessions, but effort was excellent.

I still would like Fox in the team to provide an option to play the role Mills did last night.

Perhaps they should give Campbell another shot forward, instead of Wicks, for example.

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[Markwebbos]

The Mongrel Punt review is out and as always is well worth a read.

Sydney v Richmond - The Big Questions - The Mongrel Punt

I thought the umpiring of HTB was a disgrace, particularly in the second quarter, this is what they noted:

I’m paraphrasing them as it’s too much to paste:

In the first half, Richmond had 30 tackles to the Swans’ 29, but they got 7 HTB free kicks (nearly 25% success rate, average is 5%). We got one…

This is the line that stood out for me

“it became painfully obvious that even blatant holding-the-ball free kicks were not going to be paid to them [Swans]”

And they cite the Lloyd tackle on Bolton as one such example (Bolton fends off = prior, they didn’t pay HTB, Lloyd then gets pinged for dissent)

I was aggrieved by one of the HTBs paid against Campbell in the goal square where he dropped the ball before being tackled. Should have been play on.

[TheBloods]

Pretty goood summation TB but I can’t help but think you are missing someone else or did they shut you up ????

No one else shut me up . I dont see what others see in the Irishman either

[mcs]

Some really are desperate to dig all the way to China before they'll admit anything it seems.

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[stevoswan]

Jonathon Brown claims it was the reverse, that he knows Stevic's voice and it was he that said the free kick was to be taken on the boundary.

Apparently umpire Horwarth was suggesting a 50 but was overruled by Stevic and the other ump.....correctly. How can you waste time when the siren has already gone? There is no time left to waste. That is common sense and we don't see it near enough in this over officiated game these days. It was refreshing to see.

[i'm-uninformed2]

Agree with all that. Though I suspect your autocorrect changed fantastic to frantic?

No, I actually meant frantic and as a compliment. Will is never going to be a high possession player, by the nature of his role and his some of his limits as a player. But he can be high impact, and he was last night through his endeavour.

His willingness to cover a lot of territory using his speed and running ability, and crash in defensively was first class. Even when he gave the free away to Hugo whatshisname, he closed the gap from 30m away on a bloke running into our defensive 50. He also worked hard up the wings offensively and provided some good marking contests.

If he does what he did last night and jags a goal or two a game, he’s the perfect definition of a great role player.

[mcs]

The Mongrel Punt review is out and as always is well worth a read.

Sydney v Richmond - The Big Questions - The Mongrel Punt

I thought the umpiring of HTB was a disgrace, particularly in the second quarter, this is what they noted:

I’m paraphrasing them as it’s too much to paste:

In the first half, Richmond had 30 tackles to the Swans’ 29, but they got 7 HTB free kicks (nearly 25% success rate, average is 5%). We got one…

This is the line that stood out for me

“it became painfully obvious that even blatant holding-the-ball free kicks were not going to be paid to them [Swans]”

And they cite the Lloyd tackle on Bolton as one such example (Bolton fends off = prior, they didn’t pay HTB, Lloyd then gets pinged for dissent)

I was aggrieved by one of the HTBs paid against Campbell in the goal square where he dropped the ball before being tackled. Should have been play on.

The game is going to end up being played by robots with the way the rules are adjudicated now and what the focus is on

Instead of fixing rules where interpretation is totally broken (holding the ball), way too worried about making players stand like statues on the mark, can't have a player even vent the tiniest part of frustration at howler calls without giving up 50 (noting genuine abuse should be stamped out - but players are human) and now the media desperate that in some way that 50 should have been paid because a young bloke was excited about winning a footy game - even though the action had zero genuine impact on the contest (the reason that rule exists).

It is madness.


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[stevoswan]

No one else shut me up . I dont see what others see in the Irishman either

It's just not funny TB. You have to bite the bullet at some stage.....but nobody's holding their breath. He who you refuse to acknowledge was fantastic last night....it would show some maturity to admit it.

[TheBloods]

It's just not funny TB. You have to bite the bullet at some stage.....but nobody's holding their breath. He who you refuse to acknowledge was fantastic last night....it would show some maturity to admit it.

You must want the conversation to go south , honestly . I said that i wouldnt say anything about you know who unless it was something positive . Just be happy i am staying silent on it for all your sake

His goal was great

[Markwebbos]

1. I think we need to stop describing the non-50 as common sense. It was the correct decision, as confirmed by the AFL. Time to move on, but the media won’t.

2. If appealing to an umpire before a decision is paid (HTB, deliberate etc) is allowed, then why can a player not say (politely) that they bounced the ball, or there was a fend off or whatever?

The whole dissent crackdown seems like a smokescreen for other problems with umpiring.

I don’t mind the stand except where a player is kicking for goal

[stevoswan]

You must want the conversation to go south , honestly . I said that i wouldnt say anything about you know who unless it was something positive . Just be happy i am staying silent on it for all your sake

His goal was great

No not at all, I like robust conversation.....just don't appreciate belligerent stubbornness in the face of 'uncomfortable' or 'embarrassing' reality.

The consequence of all of this is that you are forever implying that you know better than our coaching panel. Are you/do you?

[KSAS]

Whately on SEN this morning said empahtically that the correct decision was made not to pay the 50m according to the rules of the game. Here are his 2 reasons:

1/ 50m is paid if kicking the ball away after free kick had already been paid is further delaying game time. Game had officially ended when Warner had kicked ball so no further time was being delayed. He also emphasised Warner's was a celebratory kick done split second after the whistle/siren & not the usual during play where they're normally paid for deliberate wasting time.

2/ It was a distant umpire who blew the whistle and no way known Warner could've heard it, which deemed it not deliberate.

Whately effectively shut Brereton down who was (like many others in media) going on about it being technically a 50m penalty reckoning the game isn't dead when the siren sounds.

[Velour&Ruffles]

You must want the conversation to go south , honestly . I said that i wouldnt say anything about you know who unless it was something positive . Just be happy i am staying silent on it for all your sake

His goal was great

His GAME was great.

[TheBloods]

No not at all, I like robust conversation.....just don't appreciate belligerent stubbornness in the face of 'uncomfortable' or 'embarrassing' reality.

The consequence of all of this is that you are forever implying that you know better than our coaching panel. Are you/do you?

Never said that . Im not biting, your looking for an argument like always . You lot asked me to leave him alone so i am . Move on

[Ludwig]

We didn't get the 4 quarter performance I was hoping for, but we did get a nice win in the end.

• What a great young midfield duet Rowy and Chad have become, and they compliment each other so well. Chad is becoming a contested beast who can create so much offence, while Rowy works to stop the opposition when they win the stoppages. Chad still has work to do on his defence, but as noted in comments on previous games, he does care about defence and has been improving. His frequent appearances in our defensive zone shows how hard he's working. Rowy showed off his versatility with some excellent marking and precise kicking. He's a very quick thinker and has great field vision. Along with Mills and Parker, we look very solid in the midfield, which is the main reason I have disagreed with the media consensus that we need another inside mid. I would prefer to bring Heeney into the midfield more often if we want a 5th wheel.
• The defence has been leaky all year when the ball hits the ground. It's more than just missing Cunningham. Our players lose their defensive assignments once there's a bit of chaos down back. I think it will just take time for the players to adjust to each other. I would like to continue playing COR in lieu of Cunningham. He's been getting more active with the additional playing time. He has a very nice kick. Once he feels comfortable working with the senior group, he will add another pillar to our defence,which could be very handy, even if he stays primarily a depth player. Florent down back is also helping to broaden our defensive unit, giving us more options.
• Hayward showed how good he can be. He just needs to do what he did in this game to make everyone happy. Even after calming down, I still think Wicks needs to spend time in the VFL. He could have cost us the game with his stupidity. I actually like Wicks as a player, but he's not good enough to be so ill disciplined. I think Ronke brings more to the forward line anyway.
• Roberts looked slow and lost at AFL level. Now he knows what it takes to move up from VFL. I've been very impressed with Roberts in the VFL, but he will need some sprint training in the off season to speed up his game a bit. He can try to learn off of Mills, who is a similar type of players. I haven't lost faith.