Round 17: the other games. Oh groan, we're in a bunfight.

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  • dejavoodoo44
    Veterans List
    • Apr 2015
    • 8570

    General footy chat Round 17: the other games. Oh groan, we're in a bunfight.

    Actually, I wanted to call the thread, "Oh groan, we're in a @@@@fight", but a quirk in the system didn't allow that. Anyway, it seemed like only yesterday, when we were contentedly eying off a top four spot. Now, due to our inattentiveness against Essendon, we appear to be in a desperate struggle to hold on to a top eight spot. So, I think how we view the other matches, will largely depend on how the result of a particular match, will affect our chances of remaining in the eight. Except for when Hawthorn are playing, of course. I mean, barracking enthusiastically for Hawthorn and I'd feel as unclean as the turd brown on their jumpers.

    The first match of the round should be intense, with second premiership favourite, Geelong, hosting premiership favourites, Melbourne. I guess I'll be going for Melbourne in this one: as a Geelong win means that we probably can't catch either side, but a Melbourne win and we're an outside chance of catching Geelong.

    Of course, any chance of catching Geelong, then hinges on us beating the Bulldogs on Friday night. Hopefully, our players will be switched on for most of the match and don't have extended periods, where we misplace the goalposts or the opposition players.

    The first Saturday match is Collingwood and North. It would be nice if North did us a favour. But recent form suggests that that might be too much to hope for. I mean, Collingwood are currently listed as paying $1.02 and I'm a bit surprised that they're not $1.01. Maybe too many Collingwood fans spent their punting money on a recent trip to the Gold Coast?

    Speaking of the Gold Coast, they're $1.92 for their clash with Richmond, who are also paying $1.92. Which probably gives a bit of an insight into how the odds are stacked against you if you punt. Remarkably in the next game, St Kilda and Fremantle are also both paying $1.92. Looking at the ladder, wins for Gold Coast and St Kilda are probably better for us, so, go the Suns and go the Saints.

    The other Saturday game is Port hosting GWS. Obviously a GWS win would be better for us, so I guess that I could be a Giant for a day?

    Brisbane hosting Essendon is the first Sunday game. Once again, it's obvious which result would be better for our ladder position, but relying on Essendon to do us a favour, might be hoping for a bit too much.

    The next game is Hawthorn v Adelaide. Which everyone except Hawks and Crows fans can happily ignore. Actually, there might even be a fair few Hawk and Crow fans happily ignoring that one.

    As is almost traditional, the final match of the round is in Perth, between West Coast and Carlton. Once again, an upset would be better for us, even if I have been enjoying the angst of the West Coast fans. Then again, a West Coast win and I can comfort myself with the fact that they'll be moving further away from the number one draft pick.
  • SwanSand
    Regular in the Side
    • Aug 2020
    • 525

    #2
    What a game Stengle is having ! He is the kind of pressure forward we need. He is pressuring, creating and just is everywhere in that forward half.

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    • Mark26
      Senior Player
      • Jan 2017
      • 1535

      #3
      Originally posted by SwanSand
      What a game Stengle is having ! He is the kind of pressure forward we need. He is pressuring, creating and just is everywhere in that forward half.
      The Cats look up for it. Am I the only one who can't stand Selwood? He drops to his knees whenever there's contact. Must be snipers in the stands.

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      • Sandridge
        Outer wing, Lake Oval
        • Apr 2010
        • 2064

        #4
        Originally posted by Mark26
        The Cats look up for it. Am I the only one who can't stand Selwood? He drops to his knees whenever there's contact. Must be snipers in the stands.
        It's a tough, hard but entertaining game. Both teams going for it. Disappointing to think that we've beaten both of them but couldn't knock off the Bombers.

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        • Mark26
          Senior Player
          • Jan 2017
          • 1535

          #5
          Originally posted by Sandridge
          It's a tough, hard but entertaining game. Both teams going for it. Disappointing to think that we've beaten both of them but couldn't knock off the Bombers.
          It's alright. We'll just beat them again come finals and lift that sweet trophy!

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          • dejavoodoo44
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            • Apr 2015
            • 8570

            #6
            Originally posted by Mark26
            The Cats look up for it. Am I the only one who can't stand Selwood? He drops to his knees whenever there's contact. Must be snipers in the stands.
            He has his good points, but there's a style of milking frees, that should be known as the Selwood method. Lowering his body, while spreading his arms to force a legitimate tackle towards his head, then throwing his head back, whether there's contact or not. Unfortunately, there's been many imitators.

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            • neilfws
              Senior Player
              • Aug 2009
              • 1821

              #7
              Cats pretty good tonight. They find a way to keep contending every season, despite the jokes about ageing. Seem to have some good young players too: Holmes, Stengle, De Koning.

              Huge game from Cam Guthrie and Rohan pretty good too, more so in the first half.

              Pretty good warm-up, looking forward to the main event tomorrow night!

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              • dejavoodoo44
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                • Apr 2015
                • 8570

                #8
                Originally posted by neilfws
                Cats pretty good tonight. They find a way to keep contending every season, despite the jokes about ageing. Seem to have some good young players too: Holmes, Stengle, De Koning.

                Huge game from Cam Guthrie and Rohan pretty good too, more so in the first half.

                Pretty good warm-up, looking forward to the main event tomorrow night!
                If we had the magical powers to bring whoever we wanted to the club, the De Koning brothers would be high on my list. Both look like dominating their positions in the future.

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                • 707
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                  • Aug 2009
                  • 6204

                  #9
                  Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
                  If we had the magical powers to bring whoever we wanted to the club, the De Koning brothers would be high on my list. Both look like dominating their positions in the future.
                  Carlton pick 30 in 2017 ND, Geelong pick 19 in 2019 ND so neither were particularly high picks.

                  As the intro said, some crucial matches this week, but there are every week from now. A quick look shows finals defining games R18 - 4, R19 - 5, R20 - 4, R21 - 5, R22 - 4 but a measly 3 games in the final round. We only have Pies and Saints in the last two rounds to worry about, but after the Essendon loss who knows?

                  Got to win tonight or we're in deep doo doo

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                  • 707
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                    • Aug 2009
                    • 6204

                    #10
                    Nice win by us, now for some other ladder defining games.

                    Yuk, early game this arvo is Pies vs Norf, only of morbid fascination interest LOL

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                    • dejavoodoo44
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                      • Apr 2015
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by 707
                      Nice win by us, now for some other ladder defining games.

                      Yuk, early game this arvo is Pies vs Norf, only of morbid fascination interest LOL
                      Although there is talk that North are about to sack their coach, so maybe they'll be fired up?

                      The next game of Suns v Tigers should be a lot more interesting. Hopefully the Suns will do us a favour.

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                      • Agent 86
                        Senior Player
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 1686

                        #12
                        I can’t remember a season when the fate of each round can have such an impact on the ladder.

                        Winning 1 game can see you vying for a double chance in the finals, losing can put you in danger of missing out completely.

                        Let’s go boys - more games like last night and the rest of the lot can please themselves.

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                        • Agent 86
                          Senior Player
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 1686

                          #13
                          Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
                          Although there is talk that North are about to sack their coach, so maybe they'll be fired up?

                          The next game of Suns v Tigers should be a lot more interesting. Hopefully the Suns will do us a favour.
                          Be great to see GC knock them off. They’ve lost their last 2 by less than a goal &, as a result, are now amongst the also-rans for the season.

                          Spots 3-9 are up for grabs & Richmond could bump us down if they keep winning. C’mon Stewie - get them fired up!

                          Interestingly, we’re up against 3 of those teams vying for those spots, so lots of 8 point games coming up. (4 before last night - & it was a wonderful thing to sit through despite the cold)

                          The other danger is (based on recent form) dropping the bundle against Crows, GWS and even Norf. We know we’re capable of beating anyone - but also of having a howler.

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                          • MattW
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                            • May 2011
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
                            Although there is talk that North are about to sack their coach, so maybe they'll be fired up?

                            The next game of Suns v Tigers should be a lot more interesting. Hopefully the Suns will do us a favour.
                            The St Kilda-Fremantle game is huge too. Fremantle hold the most gettable spot in the top 4.

                            A St Kilda win would mean we'd overtake Fremantle with a win against them in Perth next week.

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                            • dejavoodoo44
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                              • Apr 2015
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Agent 86
                              Be great to see GC knock them off. They’ve lost their last 2 by less than a goal &, as a result, are now amongst the also-rans for the season.

                              Spots 3-9 are up for grabs & Richmond could bump us down if they keep winning. C’mon Stewie - get them fired up!

                              Interestingly, we’re up against 3 of those teams vying for those spots, so lots of 8 point games coming up. (4 before last night - & it was a wonderful thing to sit through despite the cold)

                              The other danger is (based on recent form) dropping the bundle against Crows, GWS and even Norf. We know we’re capable of beating anyone - but also of having a howler.
                              As a New Orleans Saints fan, I'm reminded of a truism about some of the Sean Peyton coached teams over the years. Which was, they had an offence that could beat anyone and a defence that could lose to anyone. We're sort of similar, in that, if we apply defensive heat, then the slick ball movement will beat anyone. If the pressure isn't there, then us fans are left wondering why we thought the team was so good.

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                              Originally posted by MattW
                              The St Kilda-Fremantle game is huge too. Fremantle hold the most gettable spot in the top 4.

                              A St Kilda win would mean we'd overtake Fremantle with a win against them in Perth next week.
                              Yes, the win last night has changed how I'm viewing the Saints v Dockers game. Originally I thought a Dockers win w

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                              ... a Dockers win would be preferable, because it'd lessen the chance of the Saints overtaking us. Now I want a Saints win, as the Dockers now seem catchable

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