Swans VFL 2023

[liz]

I know there is definetly zero in the AFL. Please provide the link for this information , because my research showed that both were Victorians.

https://www.aflqua.com/uploads/2/4/6/6/24666530/vfl-rd-15-match-appointments-final-release.pdf

Both? There were three field umpires.

The above link might take you to the umpire appointments for this week. Bit hard on my phone.

It won’t tell you anything more than their names, however. It’s just that I happen to know a little about the background of one of them because I used to work with his father. A long long time ago.

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https://www.aflqua.com/uploads/2/4/6...al-release.pdf

Both? There were three field umpires.

The above link might take you to the umpire appointments for this week. Bit hard on my phone.

It won’t tell you anything more than their names, however. It’s just that I happen to know a little about the background of one of them because I used to work with his father. A long long time ago.

Galloway was a NSW umpire and the other two Victorians. The 2 umpires against you is enough to cause damage a free kick count 38 to 20.

[liz]

Galloway was a NSW umpire and the other two Victorians. The 2 umpires against you is enough to cause damage a free kick count 38 to 20.

To the best of my knowledge, I have never worked with Galloway's father. So if he is from NSW (I don't have a clue if he is or isn't), at least two of the field umpires were from NSW.

It's kinda irrelevant, though. I thought the umpiring was bafflingly bad and one-sided (though I also understand I am one eyed). However, I don't see the state of origin of the umpires as a likely cause. Or relevant factor at all.

[troyjones2525]

To the best of my knowledge, I have never worked with Galloway's father. So if he is from NSW (I don't have a clue if he is or isn't), at least two of the field umpires were from NSW.

It's kinda irrelevant, though. I thought the umpiring was bafflingly bad and one-sided (though I also understand I am one eyed). However, I don't see the state of origin of the umpires as a likely cause. Or relevant factor at all.

100% Liz, and it's farcical to think it makes any difference to a free kick count in a game...

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[wolftone57]

I do wonder what percentage of the umpires in the VFL are Victorian and what percentage are from QLD and NSW?

One NSW, 2 Qld. That's it. Razor Ray the only NSW/ACT

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[wolftone57]

I know there is definetly zero in the AFL. Please provide the link for this information , because my research showed that both were Victorians.

Razor Ray is from Canberra

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[Meg]

The suggestion that Victorian umpires are biased against us by dint of being Victorians is pretty silly. According to that logic we wouldn’t have a single Victorian supporter.

Yet here we are with ‘000s of Victorian Swans members who support our club financially, and ‘000s of passionate Victorian Swans fans who turn up to our matches played in Melbourne.

[wolftone57]

The suggestion that Victorian umpires are biased against us by dint of being Victorians is pretty silly. According to that logic we wouldn’t have a single Victorian supporter.

Yet here we are with ‘000s of Victorian Swans members who support our club financially, and ‘000s of passionate Victorian Swans fans who turn up to our matches played in Melbourne.

It's not that silly. Those umpires are not Swans fans. The other thing is that bany Victorians still hold onto that stupid Vic v NSW, Melbourne v Sydney rivalry and hatred. It is ingrained. I have never met a person from Sydney who bought into that. QLD v NSW is a different thing. It is a Rugby League rivalry and It is very real.

When I lived in Melbourne, which was extensively over the years, there were things like the placement of Canberra being closer to Sydney when it was supposed to be half way. In the early years it was a poor cousin thing. The bigger brighter city vs dingy old Melbourne which didn't even have any trees in Abbotsford, Collingwood & Richmond. Mind you Melbourne had character. Sydney in those days was the city of bright lights and illegal drinking after hours in pubs and nightclubs. Melbourne was back door takeaway. I think the rivalry between NSW & Victoria very real. But does it come from those things? Probably not. One word sums it up. Cricket. NSW and Victoria used to swap the Sheffield Shield every year, with the occasional intervention of SA & WA.

Just like the perceived rivalry by SA, which Victorians don't buy into, the Vic v NSW rivalry carries subconscious bias.

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[Scottee]

I must say that after watching the reserves game I am strongly of the opinion that Corey Warner is now well in front of Stephens as a midfielder. Corey has more penetration and impact with the ball whilst at CBAs Stephens does the predictable "get ball, put on the afterburners and get clear, kick long and blindly into the forward line", thing that is totally predictable and almost always results in a turnover.

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[liz]

I must say that after watching the reserves game I am strongly of the opinion that Corey Warner is now well in front of Stephens as a midfielder. Corey has more penetration and impact with the ball whilst at CBAs Stephens does the predictable "get ball, put on the afterburners and get clear, kick long and blindly into the forward line", thing that is totally predictable and almost always results in a turnover.

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I think the most obvious difference between them to the eye when they burst out of the middle and kick long is that Warner aims for a target, or at least a dangerous place, while Stephens has gotten into a bad habit of not aiming anywhere. Warner doesn't always get his kicks spot on, but he seems to have learned quickly the value of having Buller as a target, and that Buller likes to play from behind. So he's been erring on the side of over-kicking rather than under-kicking so that Buller is in the best position to hold his opponent down (with his body) and mark over the back, or at least be in prime position to gather the ball if it hits the ground.

Stephens is winning his own ball at a higher rate than Warner, and is better at tackling / defensive work. But given Warner is unlikely to join the CBA rotation in the short to medium term, it's probably not an issue that he's not a great centre bounce ground ball winner at the moment.

Warner's contested ground ball work around the ground is still not a stand-out strength, but it's an area he's improved significantly since he arrived at the club. We've even seen a little of that at senior level, where he's won a couple of difficult ground ball contests. What Warner has struggled with a bit is getting up to the speed of ball movement at AFL level, and anticipating how the play might unfold, so that he knows where to run. He's looked a little flat footed, rather than showing off his speed.

[MattW]

I think the most obvious difference between them to the eye when they burst out of the middle and kick long is that Warner aims for a target, or at least a dangerous place, while Stephens has gotten into a bad habit of not aiming anywhere. Warner doesn't always get his kicks spot on, but he seems to have learned quickly the value of having Buller as a target, and that Buller likes to play from behind. So he's been erring on the side of over-kicking rather than under-kicking so that Buller is in the best position to hold his opponent down (with his body) and mark over the back, or at least be in prime position to gather the ball if it hits the ground.

Stephens is winning his own ball at a higher rate than Warner, and is better at tackling / defensive work. But given Warner is unlikely to join the CBA rotation in the short to medium term, it's probably not an issue that he's not a great centre bounce ground ball winner at the moment.

Warner's contested ground ball work around the ground is still not a stand-out strength, but it's an area he's improved significantly since he arrived at the club. We've even seen a little of that at senior level, where he's won a couple of difficult ground ball contests. What Warner has struggled with a bit is getting up to the speed of ball movement at AFL level, and anticipating how the play might unfold, so that he knows where to run. He's looked a little flat footed, rather than showing off his speed.

Great post - thanks.

[Ludwig]

I think the most obvious difference between them to the eye when they burst out of the middle and kick long is that Warner aims for a target, or at least a dangerous place, while Stephens has gotten into a bad habit of not aiming anywhere. Warner doesn't always get his kicks spot on, but he seems to have learned quickly the value of having Buller as a target, and that Buller likes to play from behind. So he's been erring on the side of over-kicking rather than under-kicking so that Buller is in the best position to hold his opponent down (with his body) and mark over the back, or at least be in prime position to gather the ball if it hits the ground.

Stephens is winning his own ball at a higher rate than Warner, and is better at tackling / defensive work. But given Warner is unlikely to join the CBA rotation in the short to medium term, it's probably not an issue that he's not a great centre bounce ground ball winner at the moment.

Warner's contested ground ball work around the ground is still not a stand-out strength, but it's an area he's improved significantly since he arrived at the club. We've even seen a little of that at senior level, where he's won a couple of difficult ground ball contests. What Warner has struggled with a bit is getting up to the speed of ball movement at AFL level, and anticipating how the play might unfold, so that he knows where to run. He's looked a little flat footed, rather than showing off his speed.

Really good observations.

What concerns me about Stephens is that his poor decision making and disposal marks a return to his poor form in last year's VFL stint. That's why I've been down on him this year. Stephens has fallen behind Warner now, and I would think that Roberts has already surpassed him. It doesn't show up in the stats, but HHK is also ahead in my opinion, playing a Will Hayward type role, and is probably the best ball user and decision maker of the VFL regulars.

This is why I think Stephens will depart this year. He's got a couple of months to turn things around, but it's not looking likely at this time.

[dejavoodoo44]

Coaches votes for the last game. Stephens got a bit more affection than we gave him.

8 Brandan Parfitt (GC)
8 Dylan Stephens (SS)
7 Mitch Knevitt (GC)
5 Tom McCartin (SS)
1 Lachlan McAndrew (SS)
1 Oisin Mullin (GC)

Personally, I thought McAndrew's ruck work was the highlight of the game, but he may not have been up against much?

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Parfitt, Stephens one is 5-3, one is 4-4Knevitt 5-2McCartin 3-2McAndrew, Mullin 1-1 each

[707]

When are we playing this week and who?