2023 List Management

[Nico]

The only reason we traded Hewett was because “dog” Dawson had committed via text to key Swan management they had nothing to worry about, and they accepted this in good faith. Salary cap was tight, and in order to fit Dawson in they had to find a way, and George Hewett was placed on the trade market to make room for Dawson. Hewett was happy in Sydney and did not want to leave the club.
If Dawson had been honest with the club Hewett would still be in Sydney

I might have missed it, but did Mr.Personality crack it for a smile at the Brownlow.

[Dow]

John Hopkins

“Often times the stiffness can be treated, and the pain resolves. It takes the repaired rotator cuff tendons about six weeks to heal initially to the bone, three months to form a relatively strong attachment to the bone, and about six to nine months before the tendon is completely healed to the bone.“

Long recovery 9 to 12 months

hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/failed-rotator-cuff-repairs#:~:text=Often%20times%20the%20stiffness%20 can,completely%20healed%20to%20the%20bone.

I suspect that’s for normal people who don’t have top end specialists at their disposal etc - but berthing I read has said elite athletes in a professional environment for a major rotator tear off the bone between 4 - 6 months - I am hoping this is right lol I prefer to be optimistic lol ????

[lwjoyner]

surely we dont want/need Dow. Jordan is the replacement for stephens

[Dow]

surely we dont want/need Dow. Jordan is the replacement for stephens

Not sure what the overall plan is but I think we can all agree what we have is not working and needs changing, wether it’s change of players, tactics, body development in the younger players or a little of everything

[Ludwig]

I don't see the point of recruiting players who are leaving their current clubs due to lack of AFL playing time only to land at a club where they join a queue of players vying for AFL spots.

I prefer Jordon to Dow, but think each would be in a similar position at the Swans as they are at their current clubs.

I can't see recruiting both, unless we are planning to make much deeper cuts to our playing list than most are projecting.

We can look at recruiting Jordon to replace Stephens as a player upgrade plus the addition of a draft pick, seemingly a win from that superficial perspective.

We keep replaying the Hewitt trade, changing the story as time rolls on. We were trying to transition to a quicker midfield and couldn't find a spot for Hewitt in that midfield. He was tried at HB, but that was never going to work our.

If we do recruit both Jordon and Dow, it would be and indication that our 2022 draft crop is not projecting well and most are likely to be delisted in the next couple of years.

A bit of conjecture about what could have been if we drafted Serong instead of Stephens: We would have found that contested ball winner we were looking for, so by the 2021 draft we would more likely have taken JVR with our first pick instead of Sheldrick, who profiles similar to Serong. JVR would have likely slotted in as a key defender, where he played so well during in his draft year. Maybe all our problems would have been solved if we got the 2019 draft right.

[i'm-uninformed2]

The only reason we traded Hewett was because “dog” Dawson had committed via text to key Swan management they had nothing to worry about, and they accepted this in good faith. Salary cap was tight, and in order to fit Dawson in they had to find a way, and George Hewett was placed on the trade market to make room for Dawson. Hewett was happy in Sydney and did not want to leave the club.
If Dawson had been honest with the club Hewett would still be in Sydney

I’ve been as critical as anyone on here of the duplicity of Dawson and you are right to say he double crossed us, but this isn’t correct.

We still had some residual salary cap issues that had to be resolved regardless, particularly given the club had a view it’d need to keep making space for the litany of high end talent coming through. Plus, there was the move of Mills and emergence of Rowbottom and Warner in the middle. It all added up to the decision to let Hewitt go, right or wrong.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Luddy

This value trade nothing special at the time trade would make u happy?

“BOBBY Hill is the first player to swap clubs in the 2022 Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period after Collingwood and Greater Western Sydney signed off on a deal on Monday morning.

The Giants trade Hill and its round-three selection (pick No.40) to Collingwood for its round-three selection (43) and its future second-round selection.”

[Ludwig]

Luddy

This value trade nothing special at the time trade would make u happy?

“BOBBY Hill is the first player to swap clubs in the 2022 Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period after Collingwood and Greater Western Sydney signed off on a deal on Monday morning.

The Giants trade Hill and its round-three selection (pick No.40) to Collingwood for its round-three selection (43) and its future second-round selection.”

I didn't think much of Bobby Hill when he played for the Giants, but he's been fantastic since moving to Collingwood. Maybe the same will happen to Stephens when he moves to North. As we know, a lot of Swans have great years after leaving the club.

Like I've been saying, so much depends on luck and umpiring that list management plays only a small part in winning a premiership, but at least it's something under our control.

[Auntie.Gerald]

2023 - 33 goals at the Pies in one season
2019 to 2022 - 34 goals over 4 seasons

McRae said in his post match today he had been texting Bobby even the season before they got him across.

What did McRae see when Bobby was only achieving 7, 4, 14, 9 goals in his previous 4 seasons?

If we recruited a small forward that had only produced the above 34 goals over 4 seasons I suspect that many of our supporters would have said KB has gone nuts ?

I think list management played a significant part in identifying what the Pies wanted and they got 33 goals this season from a player not looking anything like that total the previous 4 seasons.

Luck and umpiring didn’t seem to make an impact across his 24 games this season. Effort, skill and anticipation jumped way ahead of luck and umpiring Luddy.

So the point being that 4th and 5th year players are very tricky to measure for us supporters.

McRae and Wright seemed to assess miles ahead of us punters with Bobby.

Maybe……just maybe……so to with one or two “depth” players coming to the swans for 2024…… that some of us think are only depth and a waste to the squad but list management see diamonds in the sand?

[BRS328]

You are right that there was more to this than just Dawson, and the overall focus rightly was on player retention given the emergence of the players you have mentioned. I also concede Hewett had back issues that were concerning some in terms of a long term contract, but Dawson was part of the retention plan, and salary cap was an issue, and the only way to address this was to trade a player such as Hewett to achieve the overall goal which included Dawson

[Dow]

2023 - 33 goals at the Pies in one season
2019 to 2022 - 34 goals over 4 seasons

McRae said in his post match today he had been texting Bobby even the season before they got him across.

What did McRae see when Bobby was only achieving 7, 4, 14, 9 goals in his previous 4 seasons?

If we recruited a small forward that had only produced the above 34 goals over 4 seasons I suspect that many of our supporters would have said KB has gone nuts ?

I think list management played a significant part in identifying what the Pies wanted and they got 33 goals this season from a player not looking anything like that total the previous 4 seasons.

Luck and umpiring didn’t seem to make an impact across his 24 games this season. Effort, skill and anticipation jumped way ahead of luck and umpiring Luddy.

So the point being that 4th and 5th year players are very tricky to measure for us supporters.

McRae and Wright seemed to assess miles ahead of us punters with Bobby.

Maybe……just maybe……so to with one or two “depth” players coming to the swans for 2024…… that some of us think are only depth and a waste to the squad but list management see diamonds in the sand?

I’d say that would be the goal of every player that’s traded in ? Like the game battleships you have way more misses that hits lol

I would say that they really nailed the role players they brought in Hill and Markov are two stand outs, can we find a couple surely would be nice ???? I am keen on Dow (not because he’s my nephew) but I really do think his stoppage game in the second half of the year was part of what the Blues going and I can see him working with Sheldrick.

[cruiser]

The only reason we traded Hewett was because “dog” Dawson had committed via text to key Swan management they had nothing to worry about, and they accepted this in good faith. Salary cap was tight, and in order to fit Dawson in they had to find a way, and George Hewett was placed on the trade market to make room for Dawson. Hewett was happy in Sydney and did not want to leave the club.
If Dawson had been honest with the club Hewett would still be in Sydney

I didn’t know this re Dawson. This makes me even angrier about him leaving Sydney to go to Adelaide. What a #!*%¥!

[BRS328]

In fairness to Bobby Hill he had made it clear for the prior two years that for family reasons he wanted to return to Melbourne and sadly when a player is not interested in the club it shows. Collingwood were smart enough to recognise this and planned their move which coincided with moving players on to create cap space.
On the flip side I don’t think we have much to grumble about with our recruiting team given our finals record which means very few early draft picks. Look at Papley, Warner, Lloyd, Rampe, Cunningham, McInerny, McLean, Reid, Parker, Armartey, Fox etc. All were either rookie or late draft picks.
Hopefully we are going in a similar direction to Collingwood this year with adding depth players as you have suggested, and the early signs are there that this is the case

[Ludwig]

2023 - 33 goals at the Pies in one season
2019 to 2022 - 34 goals over 4 seasons

McRae said in his post match today he had been texting Bobby even the season before they got him across.

What did McRae see when Bobby was only achieving 7, 4, 14, 9 goals in his previous 4 seasons?

If we recruited a small forward that had only produced the above 34 goals over 4 seasons I suspect that many of our supporters would have said KB has gone nuts ?

I think list management played a significant part in identifying what the Pies wanted and they got 33 goals this season from a player not looking anything like that total the previous 4 seasons.

Luck and umpiring didn’t seem to make an impact across his 24 games this season. Effort, skill and anticipation jumped way ahead of luck and umpiring Luddy.

So the point being that 4th and 5th year players are very tricky to measure for us supporters.

McRae and Wright seemed to assess miles ahead of us punters with Bobby.

Maybe……just maybe……so to with one or two “depth” players coming to the swans for 2024…… that some of us think are only depth and a waste to the squad but list management see diamonds in the sand?

Bobby Hill went from 34-30 goalkicking accuracy at GWS to 33-14 at the Pies. I don't think that result can be projected based on his time at GWS. But, of course, things like that do happen. I would say Collingwood were lucky. Or perhaps, they projected Hill would play better in a happier environment. It didn't work with a lot of others, like SPS going from Carlton to WCE, for example.

I think Jordon will be a good addition to the Swans. He's more than a depth player. Any midfielder who can get selected 65 times in the best 23 for a team with such a powerful midfield as Melbourne's must be pretty good. I remember having a stats battle with TheBloods comparing Jordon to Rowbottom, and thinking they were very even. Maybe the difference in the past couple of seasons is that Rowbotom has had a regular spot in our midfield, while even Brayshaw has had problems at times keeping an on-ball spot and was played at HB a lot. With Mills to miss a fair chunk of the 2024 campaign, Jordon should get plenty of opportunity to prove his worth.

[i'm-uninformed2]

On Bobby Hill, it’s also worth remembering he lost the vast majority of a year with testicular cancer.

Re Paddy Dow, I have to admit to not having seen a lot of him. I did however ask a mate of mine who’s a Carlton fan (I know) for some intel.

He said he’s a first rate clearance and centre square player, with clean hands and the ability to get out the front of the stoppage with speed. He also reckons his kicking is better than he’s given credit for, but more dependable and within his limits than elite.

Apparently the knock on him is his contribution on turnover or transition play. He seems to miss the cues on where to run at times to either contribute offensively in chains of play or see the role he has to play defensively. He doesn’t think it a fitness or endeavour thing, more a know how. Now he did say it’s possible because he’s been thrown all over the field and jerked in and out of the side, the lack of continuity or confidence has hurt him.

He likes him and apparently he’s well regarded within the club, but is just a player that hasn’t quite nailed it. He actually compared him to Dylan Stephens in this way - there’s a version who can play but would benefit from a change of club, or there is a version who has skills but can’t quite play consistent, all round AFL footy. And we just don’t know yet.