2023 List Management

[AB Swannie]

Harry Demattia would not look out of place either

Any of the 4 in and around 15 to 20ish look pretty good

Wilson
Leake
Hardeman
Demattia

I don’t think there appears a tall that fits as a KPD

Charlie Edwards is my roughie though

I haven't been around much lately so I'm probably missing a lot of discussion on this but my two cents is that I am keen on Darcy Wilson.

I get the need to get more talls on our list especially defenders but I'm worried that everyone will be disappointed post draft. We have always stated that we draft best available and trade for need. Best available is unlikely to be the tall we crave (especially if Wilson is still available )

[Thunder Shaker]

AFL website states that Sydney is likely to use two selections at the draft. (Link).

My guess is that we will draft a tall defender and Cleary.

I wonder though, could we draft a third player if Cleary hasn't been bid on before our second pick? We wouldn't need the pick at that point and could use it, because the remaining pick would be enough to match or draft Cleary.

[BRS328]

I have no doubt TS that would be the strategy

[stevoswan]

I can't see why the club needs your (or indeed anyone elses) defence, as it wasn't under attack.

Actually I don't think it's ever been under attack on RWO - it's a Swans fansite for goodness sake! No need to get your pre-emptive defences prepared for a non-existant attack Stevoswan.

That's a pretty sad post. Seriously, what are you even on about? You asked a question and I answered it in good faith R&R....who's attacking who now? Get over your misguided grudge and move on.

[Blood Fever]

That's a pretty sad post. Seriously, what are you even on about? You asked a question and I answered it in good faith R&R....who's attacking who now? Get over your misguided grudge and move on.

+1

[lwjoyner]

I have just read the zero hanger phnatom draft. Seems to be a lot of anomalies. Like Murphy to essendon, whey would they seems to me they have more needs than a key def. since they spent money and time on getting McKy to the club. also surprised by the # of matching bids within the top 15. Still have hopes for Murphy ,agree osullivan is out of reach.

[Auntie.Gerald]

AFL website states that Sydney is likely to use two selections at the draft. (Link).

My guess is that we will draft a tall defender and Cleary.

I wonder though, could we draft a third player if Cleary hasn't been bid on before our second pick? We wouldn't need the pick at that point and could use it, because the remaining pick would be enough to match or draft Cleary.

Thunder I’m struggling to see a standout tall KPD to use via our first draft pick unless it is Ollie Murphy ie probably the best available at pick 16ish

But after watching a bit of him online I find his trajectory of being a serious AFL player difficult to determine.

It could take 4 years plus for his body to handle the rigours of AFL……..so the question begs can we find a better tall option within the next 4 years to be a serious KPD at the Swans?

Will we have a player or two that will be leaving and we can trade with to attract a mature defender in the next season or two?

I see the 4 mids in around pick 15 to 22ish as pretty bloody options along with Cleary.

Then player draft or mid season draft select another key defender that is more ready ie in the next season or two.

[dejavoodoo44]

Thunder I’m struggling to see a standout tall KPD to use via our first draft pick unless it is Ollie Murphy ie probably the best available at pick 16ish

But after watching a bit of him online I find his trajectory of being a serious AFL player difficult to determine.

It could take 4 years plus for his body to handle the rigours of AFL……..so the question begs can we find a better tall option within the next 4 years to be a serious KPD at the Swans?

Will we have a player or two that will be leaving and we can trade with to attract a mature defender in the next season or two?

I see the 4 mids in around pick 15 to 22ish as pretty bloody options along with Cleary.

Then player draft or mid season draft select another key defender that is more ready ie in the next season or two.

Arie Schoenmaker is an interesting one. He impressed me when he a played a bit for the Allies, I think mainly as a half forward. But he's been playing as a KPD for Tasmania in the latter part of the season. Some say that he's the best kick in the draft and seems to be rated in the 25-40 range.

Will Arie Schoenmaker be the longest kick in the league? | 2023 AFL Draft prospect highlights - YouTube

Perhaps the most interesting thing, is how recruiters will view his ten match suspension at the start of the season? I can't find much info on the suspension, but apparently it involved too much alcohol on a training camp. So will that be viewed as being an indication of personality issues, that are best to be steered clear of? Or will it be processed as a teenager making a dumb mistake and then doing really well to get into draft contention, after missing the first ten weeks of the season?

[Auntie.Gerald]

Agree
Arie is an interesting prospect and maybe physically could play year2 after recruited?

Ambitious call for a KPD but possible at 194cm and 91kg already.

He does play very loose and wide like an old school HBF which really makes it hard to work out his development of skills one on one in the wrestle / position etc

Hmmmmm

If we think we can get Cleary with pick 55ish and or only a very small eating into next year if push comes to shove Re points required ……maybe.

If we really like one or two tall KPDs that we have our eye on……..between picks 20 and 35?

If we also very much like one or two of the bunch between picks 15 and 25 ish

Ie
Wilson
Leake
Hardeman
Demattia
Edwards

Then I would be trading up our pick 45 closer to 25-30 this season……but I’m not sure how to achieve this due to our future second rounder gone now…….which could have been a straight swap? Maybe we could bundle 45 and future third rounder for a pick 25ish…..but who would need a current 45 and a future pick of similar value?

Taking 3 picks to the draft and not re-sign say……..Reid?….. Say a draft hand of picks 16,25,55 could be interesting.

We already have a 2nd future pick late first round for next year so why not bring in 3 quality draft players if we can juggle the list?

Clearly for me is a mystery cause he could go at 30 or 91……..who knows.

[707]

My guess is that we will draft a tall defender and Cleary.

I wonder though, could we draft a third player if Cleary hasn't been bid on before our second pick? We wouldn't need the pick at that point and could use it, because the remaining pick would be enough to match or draft Cleary.

I've just been into the locked "List Management" room at my house. The BIG whiteboard there shows all our players post the delistings and trading period.

I note we have three main list vacancies, two of those in red texta say pick 12 and Cleary.

Scanning the whiteboard some more I note we have - post pick 12 and Cleary, one vacancy on the main list, one on the rookie Cat A list and one on the rookie Cat B list. The name Sam Reid with a question mark is on one side of the whiteboard.

If by some amazing luck (unlikely) no other team bids on Cleary before our elevated second pick comes up for selection, taking another draftee there means we either use our only Cat A rookie position on Sam Reid or let Sam go.

Do other posters whiteboards look like mine?

[Blood Fever]

Maybe he'll stay on as captain of the 2s leading into an assistant coach role. Settled on Sydney I believe. Pure guesswork obviously.

[Auntie.Gerald]

We have a fascinating period coming up with players that have completed 10 years with our club of which Sam Reid is one……they receive 50% cap relief.

It made me think that not only does the more mature age group tend to win GFs but they also probably have a fair weighting of sal cap relief with 10 year one club players?

Ie “Certain payments are excluded from the cap, and concessions are available for some players, in particular veteran players (those who have completed 10 seasons with their current club) who are discounted by 50% for purposes of the cap.”

10 year players at the one club x 5 at the Swans
Reid 2010
Parker 2011
Cunningham 2012
Rampe 2013
Lloyd 2014

Heeney 9 years
Mills 8 years
Paps 8 years

Florent 7 years
Hayward 7 years

[Auntie.Gerald]

If the above 10 year players had approx a combined salary of $2.4 mill pa that would mean in 2024 season we have another $1.2m extra in the cap to use……..which is significant

[liz]

We have a fascinating period coming up with players that have completed 10 years with our club of which Sam Reid is one……they receive 50% cap relief.

It made me think that not only does the more mature age group tend to win GFs but they also probably have a fair weighting of sal cap relief with 10 year one club players?

Ie “Certain payments are excluded from the cap, and concessions are available for some players, in particular veteran players (those who have completed 10 seasons with their current club) who are discounted by 50% for purposes of the cap.”

10 year players at the one club x 5 at the Swans
Reid 2010
Parker 2011
Cunningham 2012
Rampe 2013
Lloyd 2014

Heeney 9 years
Mills 8 years
Paps 8 years

Florent 7 years
Hayward 7 years

What's your source for this "50% discount" rule? I am pretty sure such a rule does not exist.

It sounds like a variant on the old "veterans list" allowances that gave both salary cap and list spot relief to teams with older players, but it was abandoned many years ago once it was acknowledged it was unfair and distorting (ie disadvantaging teams without older players, thus allowing the likes of Geelong of 2022 to perpetuate their success).

There was an idea floated a few months back to provide list spot relief for one player over thirty (but not the salary cap relief that also existed under the old scheme). However, that doesn't seem to have taken off for 2024. Or they are still thinking about it. I suspect the former, given clubs would need to know by now how many list spots they have available for 2024.

[Auntie.Gerald]

I used Wiki Liz
Could be as u state out dated?

AFL salary cap - Wikipedia

Did u have a more up to date source of reference?

If the below is as it stands than you are right wiki and my info is out of date

Veterans rule change put all clubs on a level playing field