2023 List Management

[Auntie.Gerald]

Hollande update
On afl website
Very interesting and probably indicates low pick cost to trade

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Maybe AG

[Maltopia]

Can anyone offer a good reason why the draft has to be so far away (another 30 days).

How much time do clubs need after the player trade window to finalise their draft strategy and interview the players?

Surely they can walk and chew gum at the same time. It is not as if recruitment teams etc haven’t been watching footage, going to games, monitoring combine results all year etc.

[Thunder Shaker]

Twomey's latest draft form guide: Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' October ranking

Top 6 or so are fairly settled but he's shuffled some of the later placings around a bit.

Also of interest is how many of the top prospects did not test at the combines due to injury.
1. Reid - knee
2. Walter - no mention of injury or combine tests
3. Duursma - tested 97cm vertical jump
4. McKercher - foot
5. Watson - ankle
6. Curtin - hamstring
7. Sanders - hip
8. Caddy - tested 8.331 agility test
9. Read - tested 5:56 time trial
10. O'Sullivan - tested 6:11 time trial

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Can anyone offer a good reason why the draft has to be so far away (another 30 days).

My guess is they're simply taking a break.

[caj23]

Can anyone offer a good reason why the draft has to be so far away (another 30 days).

How much time do clubs need after the player trade window to finalise their draft strategy and interview the players?

Surely they can walk and chew gum at the same time. It is not as if recruitment teams etc haven’t been watching footage, going to games, monitoring combine results all year etc.

So the poor old draftees can focus on their year 12 school exams and post school celebrations without the distraction of being a newly minted AFL player

I think that’s a bit more important than satiating the fans need for ongoing football news

[liz]

Can anyone offer a good reason why the draft has to be so far away (another 30 days).

How much time do clubs need after the player trade window to finalise their draft strategy and interview the players?

Surely they can walk and chew gum at the same time. It is not as if recruitment teams etc haven’t been watching footage, going to games, monitoring combine results all year etc.

It's because a large proportion of the draftees are currently doing VCE / HSC etc exams. I think they go on until the middle of November. The draft is timed to allow these boys the chance to focus on their exams and not be worried about if and where they are to be drafted.

[Nico]

Anyone got an idea where the son of Paul Dear is rated in phantom drafts.

[Thunder Shaker]

The player Campbell Brown thinks can flourish and surprise at his new club in 2024
James Jordon.

[wolftone57]

Heeney at ‘18’ is an absolute steal compared to Towers at 22, Hayward at 21, Konstanty at 20, Jones at 15, Ling at 14, Veszpremi at 11, Rohan at 6 and Stephens at 5.

Why did we not stuff that one up? Well he was an academy player and we weren’t competing with other talent scouts in identifying good players from the open pool and stuffing up as usual.

Logan may make up for it, but we haven’t done a great early open pick since McVeigh 20ish years ago.

Florent is coming along at last as an 11, but he wouldn’t make the defence/midfield of some of the other top eight teams.

Sheldrick at 18 too early to tell.

Anyways, I can’t believe there are another bloody 32 days till the draft… over a month to hope for a good selection and not another Beatson special!

I disagree about Florent. Ollie would make any team in the AFL including pies & Lions. Sublime to watch. clever, Brave & Very Good Tackler. Sheldrick will be a good player. He proved that just before injury. With some experience coming in to help him develop he will develop faster.

[wolftone57]

This is unlikely. I doubt there would be any concerted effort to mess around with Port Adelaide's recruitment staff like that. The clubs need to keep a good working relationship with each other.


Port Adelaide has a second-round future pick, a third-round future pick and two fourth-round future picks. Some combination of these can be traded to another club looking for draft points in exchange for a late first-round pick.


I cannot find any documents that explain this. The AFL has a "Determination for the trading of future draft selections" document somewhere but it doesn't seem to be posted online.

I imagine that the AFL could require that first-round picks be acquired, or failing that, impose a ban on the trading of first-round picks. I don't know though; this is just speculation on my part.


The AFL has discretion to waive the requirement, provided other requirements are met.

Here is a link to an explainer from five years ago: Trading first-round picks: Misunderstood rule explained

The AFL has discretion to give draft picks to @@@@ clubs too. what it gave North is tantamount to a premiership

[wolftone57]

So what happens if every club refuses to trade them a 2024 first round pick? And unless they have a high profile player wanting to leave, their main currency for acquiring a 2024 first round pick will be their 2025 first round pick, which then just pushes the problem back a year because they’ll also need to actually use a first round pick in 2025 to satisfy the “two in four years” requirement.

What sanctions will/can the AFL apply if they fail to meet the requirements?

In some ways it’s a bit silly to apply a blanket rule. Although they’ve not used first round picks in recent seasons, they used a lot of them to acquire a player who was the number one pick just a year earlier. Maybe they’ve received private dispensation from the AFL to strictly meet these draft requirements in recognition of the acquisition of JHF.

If a club has Father/Son or Academy they will trade.

[wolftone57]

The draft rule effecting port is the old Fitzroy rule. Fitzroy were so broke they were selling picks to stay afloat. AFL put a stop to that. Port aren't in that position, so that rule can be quietly disposed of id say.

I remember working at the Footballer's Club at the Junction Oval. The Caterer was relying on functions because Fitzroy never paid their bills. He was owed nearly $100,000, which in those days was a lot of money. Remember, he had to pay for the concession. But functions kept him in the pink so to speak. But the 'Gaslighter's' Nights the club put on once a month to earn money always did well but debtors never saw a cent. There was some shonky business going on there. I mean, when a big function manages about $20,000 in an Auction and the players & caterer, who were both essential, still don't get paid. Eff me.

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Assuming he doesn't end up at Fremantle.

He'll stay. Great mates with Errol, Braidon & Chaddy.

[BRS328]

Barry,
In defence of Kinnear Beatson and his his team I believe we are very fortunate to have such a talented group.
Every club has had its share of dud picks, particularly in the first round selections, and if you go back to around 2003 when the AFL tightened up the rules regarding draft tampering, and analyse and look at the top 10 picks in each year which represents the cream, on average you get a success rate of around 60% who turn out to be very good players, and it falls away exponentially in the following groups of 10 after that regardless of whether they are first, second or third round picks.

If you look at the top 10 picks from 2003 to 2020 drafts some of the top 10 are better than others, however you need to remember the Swans only participated in 5 top 10 picks over 18 years, and when you look into it we haven’t done that badly.

2009 was our first year of a top 10 pick. We took Garry Rohan at pick 6 and followed up with Jetta at 14 and Sam Reid at 38
2015 was our next top 10 year and we took Mills at pick 3, which was forced on us by Melbourne who deliberately Mills because they wanted Oliver at pick 4. The Swans were hoping Mills would slide a little further before a bogus bid came. We also picked up a guy called Dawson at 56 in the same draft.
2018 was our next opportunity. We took Nick Blakey at 10 and followed up with Rowbottom at 25, and McInerny at 44.
2019 we picked up Stephens with 5, and he was a dud. However we redeemed ourselves with pick 39 who has been now rated the number one pick in the retrospective 2019 draft (Chad Warner).

I think we have people who know what they are doing.

[i'm-uninformed2]

When do we start the 2024 list management thread?

PS: my understanding is the club for now at least is very confident Logan will stay.

[liz]

When do we start the 2024 list management thread?

In 2024?