Round 4: the other games. No rucking worries?

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  • dejavoodoo44
    Veterans List
    • Apr 2015
    • 8632

    General footy chat Round 4: the other games. No rucking worries?

    The Easter round starts tonight with Brisbane hosting Collingwood. By not selecting a ruckman, it appears that Collingwood are testing the Ludwig theory, that teams might be better off without a ruckman? I'm not sure where I stand on that? On the one hand, I think a high quality ruck, like Gawn or Naitanui, can be a definite advantage, both through their ability to get clean taps to midfielders on the move and their strong marking around the ground. While on the other hand, a mediocre ruck can be more of a hindrance, with their taps to disadvantage and their slowing up of possession chains.
    So, it'll be interesting to see how the game develops tonight. Will the lack of a ruckman make Collingwood's quick ball movement even quicker? Or will Brisbane decide that they should have a definite advantages in clearances, and consequently attempt to turn the game into a war of attrition, with free space blocked as much as possible and the ball moving from ruck contest to ruck contest?

    Unfortunately, I'm running a bit late right now, so I'll just restrict myself to commenting on the final game of the round; Geelong v Hawthorn at the G. Last week, I called the thread, "So just how crap is Hawthorn", before it was later amended to, "So just how crap is Geelong", after Hawthorn won and Geelong lost. So, this round, I think both questions could still apply. While I think it's likely that Hawthorn will lose heavily and confirm the status as wooden spoon favourites, there is some chance that Geelong will go 0/4. Which I suspect would be a happy ending to the Easter weekend for many fans. A satisfied torpor brought about by an overindulgence of chocolate combined with the warm inner glow of smug schadenfreude. I'm sure it's what Jesus would have wanted.
  • RogueSwan
    McVeigh for Brownlow
    • Apr 2003
    • 4602

    #2
    Saints v Suns is an interesting match-up. If it was on the Goldy I would think the Suns are capable of an upset but at Marvel .... probably not. This would leave Saints at the top of the table, which makes me change my mind again, and I think the Suns will win.
    "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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    • dejavoodoo44
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      • Apr 2015
      • 8632

      #3
      Originally posted by RogueSwan
      Saints v Suns is an interesting match-up. If it was on the Goldy I would think the Suns are capable of an upset but at Marvel .... probably not. This would leave Saints at the top of the table, which makes me change my mind again, and I think the Suns will win.
      I quite like the Suns in that. Rowell is back to looking like a stand out, number one draft pick: Weller has returned in fine shape; Miller and Anderson give them plenty of drive, and King has probably remembered how to catch.

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      • dejavoodoo44
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        • Apr 2015
        • 8632

        #4
        Brisbane were close to putting Collingwood away in that quarter. Rayner is playing one of the best games I've seen him play.

        Though of course, Collingwood will believe that they can come back.

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        • stevoswan
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          • Sep 2014
          • 8557

          #5
          Go Lions.....nicely up at half time. I tipped them.....hope they go on with it.

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          • i'm-uninformed2
            Reefer Madness
            • Oct 2003
            • 4653

            #6
            Collingwood are renowned for their last quarters, but so far, Ludwig is watching this and positively seething at what it does for his ruck theory.
            'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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            • dejavoodoo44
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              • Apr 2015
              • 8632

              #7
              Nice move by Charlie Cameron.

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              • dejavoodoo44
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                • Apr 2015
                • 8632

                #8
                Will that be the goal that stops Taylor and Brayshaw gibbering about a Collingwood comeback?

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                • mcs
                  Travelling Swannie!!
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 8166

                  #9
                  You truly expect that pair deja to get their hand off it? The world will end before that ever happens haha!
                  "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                  • dejavoodoo44
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                    • Apr 2015
                    • 8632

                    #10
                    Originally posted by mcs
                    You truly expect that pair deja to get their hand off it? The world will end before that ever happens haha!
                    I tend to think that the Big Freeze is getting a bit passe. So for a new fund-raiser, I'm wondering if people would pay to see certain commentators bound and gagged and wrapped in masking tape?

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                    • RogueSwan
                      McVeigh for Brownlow
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 4602

                      #11
                      Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
                      Collingwood are renowned for their last quarters, but so far, Ludwig is watching this and positively seething at what it does for his ruck theory.
                      Although Daniher has shown what, potentially, Bud could do in the ruck ...

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                      "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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                      • Nico
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                        • Jan 2003
                        • 11339

                        #12
                        It's 6.30am in Chiang Mai and Ludwig is already pouring over his rucking blueprint...."where did I go wrong?"
                        http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                        • Ludwig
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                          • Apr 2007
                          • 9359

                          #13
                          The first thing I noticed from the stats was that Collingwood won the centre clearances 15-12. I think that bodes well for the no ruckman argument.

                          It's only 1 game. We will have to analyze the ruck contest in some detail to see what the effect of going without a ruckman had on the game. It was also a home game for Brisbane, and they have a very good record at home.

                          One data point is in and awaiting analysis. We will see how it goes over the course of several games.

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                          • Ruck'n'Roll
                            Ego alta, ergo ictus
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 3990

                            #14
                            Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
                            Ludwig is watching this and positively seething at what it does for his ruck theory.
                            I doubt it, I'm sure L will maintain the rage / stick to his guns / keep stirring the possums regardless
                            Last edited by Ruck'n'Roll; 7 April 2023, 11:55 AM. Reason: edit: He already has

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                            • Mel_C
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                              • Jan 2003
                              • 4470

                              #15
                              Something needs to be done about players flopping and staging for frees. It is so frustrating to watch, especially when the umpire falls for it. One serial offender is Curnow. He didn't let me down today. I don't like it when Papley does it either.

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