Longmire

[Southern Swan15]

We have the best list in the comp, to say otherwisr "MCS" is idiotic.... the problem is we play out best players out of position. Ill give you a tip... mills isnt a back... play him on the ball full time.

Plapley isnt a mid...... heeney isnt a mid.... I could go on... if we had clakspn as a coach we would nkt have lost 2014 or 2016...

It isn't solely down to Longmire, not these days. I still think he does an awful lot right an awful lot of the time. But a footy club is so far beyond the 'coach' being the be all and end all of the club.





In no world do we have the best list in the league. We have a promising rump of a team evolving, but lack depth in Key Position Players, let alone broader depth of the best squads. We are well under-represented by players at the peak of their careers as well - our list is quite skewed.

We have the potential to build a list that could win multiple flags. But as the last 6 months have shown, it is still closer to the 'potential' phase than the 'mature' phase.

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[Southern Swan15]

The last 6 months' issues isn't the list... its the ability of the coaching staff to realise the potential of the list...... why gould has been left to rot in the 2s is ridiculous. Oh, and let's not forget the inability of longmire to develop anthing that resembles a plane b in nilly 12 years..... but no MCS. Let's just let longmire off and look at other areas.... fact is longmire has not delivered... plain and simple....

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It isn't solely down to Longmire, not these days. I still think he does an awful lot right an awful lot of the time. But a footy club is so far beyond the 'coach' being the be all and end all of the club.





In no world do we have the best list in the league. We have a promising rump of a team evolving but lack depth in Key Position Players, let alone broader depth of the best squads. We are well under-represented by players at the peak of their careers as well - our list is quite skewed.

We have the potential to build a list that could win multiple flags. But as the last 6 months have shown, it is still closer to the 'potential' phase than the 'mature' phase.

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[mcs]

You can hold that view, but I think you'll find precious few people out there that would say, on balance, we have the best list in the competition at this point in time.

Football isn't played on paper of course - but I suggest there are at least three or four lists, that when you taken into account the wide range of needs that have to be filled over a season, are better placed then us, with better depth, more elite players, and an overall list with more players at their levels of peak performance then we have.

I'm happy to support strongly a view we have a list that has the potential to be the best list in the near future - and potentially for a sustained period of time. But I don't think we are anywhere near that. We had a wonderful 2022 - bar that final day. But a lot had to fall into place for that to happen, some of which papered over temporarily parts of our list where we need significant improvement to fulfil the potential that is there.

And I don't disagree about playing players out of position - it annoys me too and I think does hamstring us at times. But doesn't the need to do that, in itself, suggest our list lacks depth/quality in some parts?

[Southern Swan15]

You can hold that view, but I think you'll find precious few people out there that would say, on balance, we have the best list in the competition at this point in time.

Football isn't played on paper of course - but I suggest there are at least three or four lists, that when you taken into account the wide range of needs that have to be filled over a season, are better placed then us, with better depth, more elite players, and an overall list with more players at their levels of peak performance then we have.

I'm happy to support strongly a view we have a list that has the potential to be the best list in the near future - and potentially for a sustained period of time. But I don't think we are anywhere near that. We had a wonderful 2022 - bar that final day. But a lot had to fall into place for that to happen, some of which papered over temporarily parts of our list where we need significant improvement to fulfil the potential that is there.

MCS that is a crap take..... we stand up.to ANY current list..... we are hit with injuries to key postions yes... but oir biggest issue isnt injuries.... it is bloody game day.... longmire sat there tonight and said "we didn't match them at the contest" we didnt match them at the contest in september 2022... why weren't we ready tonight?

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[mcs]

We are a young team that over achieved last year. Geelong monster us with their superior strength. Won't last for ever.

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Round 6 is the biggest stage?

MCS that is a crap take..... we stand up.to ANY current list..... we are hit with injuries to key postions yes... but oir biggest issue isnt injuries.... it is bloody game day.... longmire sat there tonight and said "we didn't match them at the contest" we didnt match them at the contest in september 2022... why weren't we ready tonight?

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In your opinion it is a crap take. It is not absolute mate, no matter what you think.

If footy was only a game of the first 23, then maybe I could be swayed. But it isn't - to win flags you need more than just an amazing first choice team.

And I don't think we have as good an overall list as a few other clubs.

That doesn't mean it isn't good enough to win a flag - far from it. But I just don't think it is anywhere near a finished product, nor do I think it is the best list going around.

[lwjoyner]

as i said in game day post Longmire was not on the groung but he an his fellow selectors can take a lot of blame. Mills on hawkins and not in the middle, gould as the substitute he has som ebuld. Not sure how mthey pick a team. By the way i understood Frnacis selection tonight with Amerty missing but why did we draft him anyway Essendon didnt care loosing hime lucky to get games with them.

[chalbilto]

The last time I saw Longmire so disappointed after a game (apart from the grand final) was after The Essendon game last season. The boys managed to turn things around then and I am confident that they will turn things around starting next weekend.

[Blood Fever]

The last time I saw Longmire so disappointed after a game (apart from the grand final) was after The Essendon game last season. The boys managed to turn things around then and I am confident that they will turn things around starting next weekend.

It's a long season. If we can eventually get something like our best team on the park, then we can make a run at finals in the second half of the year. However, I think P.McCartin will have to give it away sadly. If so, will be a big loss.

[Roadrunner]

MCS that is a crap take..... we stand up.to ANY current list..... we are hit with injuries to key postions yes... but oir biggest issue isnt injuries.... it is bloody game day.... longmire sat there tonight and said "we didn't match them at the contest" we didnt match them at the contest in september 2022... why weren't we ready tonight?

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Even with everyone available, our list still is a work in progress- it is young and lacking size and experience. We made it to the GF last year but these deficiencies showed up only too well in that game. So why would we expect a different result now, when our backline talls were missing as well as Hickey? Clearly, it was never going to happen but it was sure disappointing that we couldn’t lay a glove on them. Yes, the umpiring was shocking but we fumbled a lot and got caught far too often, and once again the Cats looked quicker! Their teamwork was excellent and sharp and we kept putting ourselves under pressure.

We will learn from this bitter experience but no doubt our confidence together with our percentage copped a hiding. An elite KPF is badly needed- looks like we have to wait until next year for someone like Harry Himmelberg!

[troyjones2525]

We need Harry Himmelberg as a key defender IMO.

He could be elite back there if given a solid go at it. Our forward line future is hopefully McDonald and Amarty and we need to look at more in future drafts if possible!

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[Ludwig]

We need Harry Himmelberg as a key defender IMO.

He could be elite back there if given a solid go at it. Our forward line future is hopefully McDonald and Amarty and we need to look at more in future drafts if possible!

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Last week Damian Barrett said the Swans have targeted Himmelberg as someone they really want to recruit, but he didn't identify a source. But it makes perfect sense and we would be remiss if we didn't target Himmelberg. It would be nice to land a top player after losing so many in recent times.

[stevoswan]

No sorry i dont "jest"

Yes, the side is decimated by injury, but longmire has failed 3 times at the biggest stage, and this is the 4th.... terrible coaching, terrible team selection... longmire needs to be held responsible..

I wasn't going to respond when I saw your first post but I will now.....and I don't jest either.

It is utterly ridiculous to be calling for Longmire's sacking....which, while you haven't use those words, you are certainly implying. Yes, he hasn't won another GF since 2012 despite another three tries but he has got us there.

Who do you suggest would do a better job with our young team atm and would take that next step to actually winning the big one? Which we will probably do with Horse at the helm in 2 to 3 years anyway when this youngest (or nearly youngest) squad in the league fully matures.

Also, do you think that maybe we are expecting too much from this squad this year after they so obviously overachieved last year....and also think that Horse should actually be highly commended for taking a team that was obviously not ready all the way to the GF? From that alone, I say he's a great coach.

[Kafka's Ghost]

I wasn't going to respond when I saw your first post but I will now.....and I don't jest either.

It is utterly ridiculous to be calling for Longmire's sacking....which, while you haven't use those words, you are certainly implying. Yes, he hasn't won another GF since 2012 despite another three tries but he has got us there.

Who do you suggest would do a better job with our young team atm and would take that next step to actually winning the big one? Which we will probably do with Horse at the helm in 2 to 3 years anyway when this youngest (or nearly youngest) squad in the league fully matures.

Also, do you think that maybe we are expecting too much from this squad this year after they so obviously overachieved last year....and also think that Horse should actually be highly commended for taking a team that was obviously not ready all the way to the GF? From that alone, I say he's a great coach.

Hear, hear.


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[i'm-uninformed2]

We have the best list in the comp, to say otherwisr "MCS" is idiotic.... the problem is we play out best players out of position. Ill give you a tip... mills isnt a back... play him on the ball full time.

Plapley isnt a mid...... heeney isnt a mid.... I could go on... if we had clakspn as a coach we would nkt have lost 2014 or 2016...

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What is a clakspn?

But seriously, we have the best list in the comp? I’m currently watching Melbourne, and they’re not even winning. But, they have:

* two All Australian ruckmen in Grundy and Gawn
* the best midfielder of this decade in Oliver, and one of the next best in Petracca
* the best defender in the game in May and one of the best intercepts in Lever
* arguably the best winger in the game in Langdon
* arguably the most consistent medium forward in the game in Fritsch
* one of the best swing man in the game in Petty
* other emerging talents like Pickett, and a batch of supreme role players like Viney.

Now, they are a more mature side than us and someone like Chad might equal Petracca, and some of our young talent like Logan, Blakey, Campbell, Gulden etc have immense upside. But to pretend we’ve yet got the best list in the comp is just nonsense.

By the way, I’ll agree with you that Mills shouldn’t have been sent to mind Hawkins, and I said pre-game I wanted him in the guts winning the ball. And I’ve said since Horse should have been more willing to try a few left field things like throwing McInerney on the ball because well, the rare times it’s been tried it’s worked. And he certainly has a job to do in convincing players what can be achieved and how to keep their composure in a game like Saturday night.

I just find it bizarre that you’d ignore an injury list to critical players that would cruel any team in the comp.

[BRS328]

Completely agree with you. To suggest we have the best list in the comp is bizarre. We may have the best under 22 year old group, but you clearly need experienced players to guide them, and with the 7 best key position players unavailable it was lambs to the slaughter.

One thing the club has going for it is stability, and while it was an unacceptable performance, to lay the blame on the coach is ridiculous.

I too agree the decision to play Mills on Hawkins was a mistake, we needed his experience and skill in the midfield to stem the tide out of the centre. That and Francis to the back line may have helped, but certainly would not have changed the result