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  • caj23
    Senior Player
    • Aug 2003
    • 2462

    #61
    Francis is sub on a cold wet windy day at the G when fresh fast legs are going to be the order of the day

    Indefensible stupidity, he really is clueless

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    • Southern Swan15
      Warming the Bench
      • May 2010
      • 203

      #62
      Originally posted by caj23
      Bellamy has multiple premierships to his name

      When he’s done as coach he will be gone from the club, as if any new coach would want the old one looking over their shoulder
      Longmire is no doubt a great man manager, my issue with him is his game day ability to make any change when we are behind or our style is being challenged.... also he clearly has issues with preparing a team for a GF.

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      • Roadrunner
        Senior Player
        • Jan 2018
        • 1481

        #63
        Originally posted by Southern Swan15
        Longmire is no doubt a great man manager, my issue with him is his game day ability to make any change when we are behind or our style is being challenged.... also he clearly has issues with preparing a team for a GF.

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        You may have a point regarding tactics and game day changes but the GF debacle is best left in the past as it is counter productive to dwell on it as you do. Hopefully both the coaching staff and the players will have learned from it- I wish we can get to the GF again this year to find out!

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        • Southern Swan15
          Warming the Bench
          • May 2010
          • 203

          #64
          Roadrunner, so what did we lear from 2014 that we implemented in 2016, and conversly into 2022... i am not hung up on gf losses, i am just pointing out that logmire fails to prep his sides for the biggest game of the year...
          Originally posted by Roadrunner
          You may have a point regarding tactics and game day changes but the GF debacle is best left in the past as it is counter productive to dwell on it as you do. Hopefully both the coaching staff and the players will have learned from it- I wish we can get to the GF again this year to find out!
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          • Southern Swan15
            Warming the Bench
            • May 2010
            • 203

            #65
            Make the the finals to what? Get rolled in straight sets or get a 60+ gf defeat... as i stated in an earlier post if success is based on Gf wins, longmire is a failed coach. If we are basing it on finals only he he is a raging success.
            Originally posted by The Big Cat
            Don’t need them if you make the finals nearly every year.
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            • wolftone57
              Veterans List
              • Aug 2008
              • 5861

              #66
              Originally posted by Hotpotato
              I don’t agree it’s just ALL about winning the last game in September (yep it’s called the Premiership). Yes, it’s ecstasy when it happens especially if you’re there. ( it’s made v hard for non-Victorian clubs to win one).

              For many of us it’s about the culture of the club, the care and well being of the players, their families, their physical and mental health, the bond with the supporters, the pastoral care of young boys growing into good men.

              John has been and continues to be a key component of this.

              There are many games when we can marvel at the skill, the growth in cohesion of the team and the wins we do have.

              The Swans are a good team to follow regardless, be hard to find a replacement for John who could do a better job .

              You can see he craves to win, like we all do.
              (We all like to identify with winning).
              This group will keep on growing win or lose.

              Who would honestly be an AFL coach anyway. It’s a hellava tough gig.
              That's all very well but to keep the gig a coach must win premierships. That's reality. Just making finals does not cut it. If you don't win premierships you are not a success. That is reality.

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              • H2F
                Warming the Bench
                • Sep 2021
                • 159

                #67
                I can see him calling time before 2025 he looks worn and exhausted.

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                • Blood Fever
                  Veterans List
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 4051

                  #68
                  Originally posted by wolftone57
                  That's all very well but to keep the gig a coach must win premierships. That's reality. Just making finals does not cut it. If you don't win premierships you are not a success. That is reality.

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                  Chris Scott won a flag in 2011,a year before Longmire. It was another 11 years before he won another one. That is reality.

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                  • Roadrunner
                    Senior Player
                    • Jan 2018
                    • 1481

                    #69
                    Originally posted by wolftone57
                    That's all very well but to keep the gig a coach must win premierships. That's reality. Just making finals does not cut it. If you don't win premierships you are not a success. That is reality.

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                    They’re are18 teams trying to win 1 flag wolfie- I’m sure you are aware of that. Of course we want to win it regularly, but unless you can assemble a super team like the Lions, Dawks and the Tigers were able to do, you are only going to win the odd flag here and there, if you are lucky. Look at StKilda for instance, or Norf. Even Melbourne only won 1 flag in yonks!

                    We don’t have a super team- though potentially a very good one. Last year we over achieved and weren’t ready to win a flag- it was a surprise we made it to the GF, let’s be honest. There are still quite a few key positions missing and this year has shown that we are a young, inexperienced team with poor depth to cover key injuries. No coach, including the Messiah, can overcome these shortcomings.

                    Horse is clearly disappointed, t.hough not necessarily exhausted, but he is still the best we can have with such a developing team. Straighter kicking in our last two games would have made a huge difference!
                    We want to win each and every game, especially the GF, but so do our opponents!

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                    • 707
                      Veterans List
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 6204

                      #70
                      It's tedious all this negative talk about Longmire, look at the injury list and squad depth first.

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                      • stevoswan
                        Veterans List
                        • Sep 2014
                        • 8573

                        #71
                        Originally posted by wolftone57
                        That's all very well but to keep the gig a coach must win premierships. That's reality. Just making finals does not cut it. If you don't win premierships you are not a success. That is reality.
                        That is your reality.

                        Of course we all like to win GF's and it is hugely disappointing to make it to them and then lose.....but it's better to be in the hunt than down the bottom. We will win one again.

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                        • Blood Fever
                          Veterans List
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 4051

                          #72
                          Doubly difficult to win GF as an interstate team in the VAFL.

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                          • stevoswan
                            Veterans List
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 8573

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Blood Fever
                            Doubly difficult to win GF as an interstate team in the VAFL.
                            Absolutely.

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                            • AppleCore
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Sep 2021
                              • 45

                              #74
                              Longmire fails to prep his sides

                              Originally posted by Southern Swan15
                              Roadrunner, so what did we lear from 2014 that we implemented in 2016, and conversly into 2022... i am not hung up on gf losses, i am just pointing out that logmire fails to prep his sides for the biggest game of the year...

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                              You appear to overlook the circumstances of the route to the 2022 Grand Final taken by the Swans and Geelong.
                              Geelong were near or at the top of the ladder for most of the season. They always appeared near certainties to finish in the top four. This allowed them to tailor the training programs of crucial players (eg Dangerfield) to be at their peak at or near GF day. In addition, aided by their midfield depth, they limited the on-field time of their midfield players during the home-and-away portion of the season.
                              In contrast, the Swans lost badly to Essendon late in the season. That loss raised the very real possibility that the Swans wouldn't make the eight and meant that the team had to play like men possessed in the final half dozen home-and-away games. During that period the Swans put their best team on the park each week and I would guess that no consideration was given to limiting the playing time of midfielders.
                              Another major factor was the timing of when the two teams played Collingwood. Geelong played Collingwood in the first week of the finals and barely survived the experience. They then had a week to recover. The Swans played Collingwood in a Preliminary final and also barely survived the experience. However, they were then obliged to face Geelong a week later and they played like an exhausted team.
                              Longmire had little/no control regarding the above circumstances. He should be congratulated on taking the Swans to the Grand Final.

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                              • BRS328
                                Warming the Bench
                                • Feb 2018
                                • 370

                                #75
                                Apple Core,

                                You are spot on with your comments. It was a great effort by the players and coaches to get to the Grand Final given the age and experience of the list.

                                16 other clubs would have gladly swapped places.

                                The coaches, recruiters, players and administration have done an excellent job throughout the rebuild process, only missing the finals for 2 years and building a solid foundation for the future.

                                I have no doubt while this is a setback, the club will be active in the free agency and trade period to address some of the obvious concerns. The club has a strong draft hand and I am sure they will use it wisely

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