Supporting Tasmania or otherwise changing your loyalties

[barry]

I'm aware of your divided loyalties Baz, though I make no pretence to understanding them. I'm old school. One team for life. Let's just leave it there.

It's the great battle of ideology Vs practicality. Never been a clear winner.

[KTigers]

I grew up in Tasmania supporting Carlton as a kid and South Melbourne were my second team. I think it was because the first
game I ever saw on TV was the 1970 GF and also because my much older sister and her boyfriend owned a couple hipster/hippie
clothing stores on Lygon St and lived in Middle Park. That sort of spurious connection made sense to my kid mind at the time I
guess. I jumped ship from my number 1 team to my number 2 team when I moved to Sydney to go to uni and the Swans had
moved to Sydney and I started going to games at the SCG. The annoying thing about Carlton these days is not so much the
team, they are just footy players who I don't know. It's their bandwagon jumping supporters. And living in Sydney I don't even
see the worst of them. I mean, who are these people?

[Roadrunner]

I grew up in Tasmania supporting Carlton as a kid and South Melbourne were my second team. I think it was because the first
game I ever saw on TV was the 1970 GF and also because my much older sister and her boyfriend owned a couple hipster/hippie
clothing stores on Lygon St and lived in Middle Park. That sort of spurious connection made sense to my kid mind at the time I
guess. I jumped ship from my number 1 team to my number 2 team when I moved to Sydney to go to uni and the Swans had
moved to Sydney and I started going to games at the SCG. The annoying thing about Carlton these days is not so much the
team, they are just footy players who I don't know. It's their bandwagon jumping supporters. And living in Sydney I don't even
see the worst of them. I mean, who are these people?

They are a special group KTigers- they feel entitled because for many years during the VFL days they had the biggest cheque book and bought the best players from everywhere. Then they boasted how good they were! Way ahead of Collingwood and Richmond supporters who are nearly as bad but the difference is that Carlton supporters tend to have a few more front teeth????

[Bloods05]

It's the great battle of ideology Vs practicality. Never been a clear winner.

What's the "ideology" you're referring to here Barry?

[barry]

An example if an inflexible ideology is to only support one team from birth to death.
Hard to believe that during ones lifetime of say 80 years their values, the teams values, or the location of either won't change.

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And it would get impossible to grow the game if everyone followed that ideology.

[Blood Fever]

Ever heard of emotion?

[Bloods05]

An example if an inflexible ideology is to only support one team from birth to death.
Hard to believe that during ones lifetime of say 80 years their values, the teams values, or the location of either won't change.

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And it would get impossible to grow the game if everyone followed that ideology.

No point quibbling about your use of that word, however odd it may be. The guts of the issue is that you think a lifetime of loyalty to a footy team reflects a rigidity or inflexibility of character. You're entitled to that opinion, but it puts you way out on the fringe when it comes to the bulk of footy supporters. To the contrary, I think it reflects depth of character and a willingness to endure adversity. Most of us revel in that lifelong commitment. It's what makes following the footy meaningful.

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Ever heard of emotion?

Fair question. Seems to me Baz doesn't trust emotion, that he thinks it interferes with rational judgment.

[Bloods05]

As to the growth of the game, what's wrong with attracting new supporters who haven't previously followed the game? Isn't that the idea? Otherwise you're just churning the support base.

[barry]

No point quibbling about your use of that word, however odd it may be. The guts of the issue is that you think a lifetime of loyalty to a footy team reflects a rigidity or inflexibility of character. You're entitled to that opinion, but it puts you way out on the fringe when it comes to the bulk of footy supporters. To the contrary, I think it reflects depth of character and a willingness to endure adversity. Most of us revel in that lifelong commitment. It's what makes following the footy meaningful.

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Fair question. Seems to me Baz doesn't trust emotion, that he thinks it interferes with rational judgment.

I have no care if it's one the fringe or not. It's not a popularity contest.
But it's an ideology that values a religious like devotion. I personally have no time for people with a highly religious personality as I believe it's shows a weakness of character, and an aversion to the practicality of life.

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As to the growth of the game, what's wrong with attracting new supporters who haven't previously followed the game? Isn't that the idea? Otherwise you're just churning the support base.

New supporters in Sydney were probably originally south's or rooster or wallaby supporters. Does you ideology not apply to other sports.?

[barry]

The swans have just typed out the popularity contest with something like 1.2m people who claim the swans are their no. 1 sporting team.
I'm willing to wager that well over half would have said something different at some time earlier in their lifetime.

[Bloods05]

I have no care if it's one the fringe or not. It's not a popularity contest.
But it's an ideology that values a religious like devotion. I personally have no time for people with a highly religious personality as I believe it's shows a weakness of character, and an aversion to the practicality of life.

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New supporters in Sydney were probably originally south's or rooster or wallaby supporters. Does you ideology not apply to other sports.?

I didn't expect you to care about being out on the fringe, Barry. I'm sure you wear it as a badge of honour. But when you equate loyalty and commitment with weakness, you're really stretching it to the point of weirdness.

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The swans have just typed out the popularity contest with something like 1.2m people who claim the swans are their no. 1 sporting team.
I'm willing to wager that well over half would have said something different at some time earlier in their lifetime.

Yep, almost all of those people wouldn't have followed any footy team. Precisely my point.

[barry]

I didn't expect you to care about being out on the fringe, Barry. I'm sure you wear it as a badge of honour. But when you equate loyalty and commitment with weakness, you're really stretching it to the point of weirdness.

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Yep, almost all of those people wouldn't have followed any footy team. Precisely my point.

You are wrong on both points. But that's the ideology way. Facts don't count.

[Blood Fever]

You are wrong on both points. But that's the ideology way. Facts don't count.

Weird stuff. Unique wavelength.

[barry]

Weird stuff. Unique wavelength.

Sockpuppet?

[Blood Fever]

No point arguing with a blunt instrument .