2024 List Management

[Maltopia]

Re possible compensation should Hayward for six years at 800K…

No way AFL gives us an end of first round pick, especially if we are top four at season end.

Franklin on 10 years got the Hawks pick 18 or so.

North getting pick 3 for McAverage was a typical rort by the AFL to try and help a basket case team.

[liz]

Re possible compensation should Hayward for six years at 800K…

No way AFL gives us an end of first round pick, especially if we are top four at season end.

Franklin on 10 years got the Hawks pick 18 or so.

North getting pick 3 for McAverage was a typical rort by the AFL to try and help a basket case team.

Under the current secret recipe (the exact details of which are kept hidden), the length of contract is not a factor in determining compensation. It's the annual contract amount. That has led clubs to manipulate by enticing a player with an initial shortish term deal on high annual payments to trigger a higher compensation pick for the club losing the player with (probably) a tacit agreement that they will then extend the contract on a lower amount. (See Brisbane and Joe Daniher.)

This is something the AFL is looking to change, so that the length of contract would become a factor. I don't really understand why they don't look at total dollars a club is prepared to commit to attract the player, which encapsulates both annual amount and amount per year.

Regardless of how the recipe changes, Franklin attracted a first tier pick, which arrives after the loser club's natural first round pick. However, because the Hawks won the premiership in the year they lost Franklin, the effect was the same as them receiving an end of first round pick (tier two). McKay, Lynch, Frawley, Daniher and Zac Williams all attracted tier one compensation picks. Lynch was worth it. The others are questionable, although, in the case of Williams, Carlton did give him a contract that was both high dollars and long-term (something they maybe regret now, given how little football they have got out of him).

There is no way anyone is going to pay Hayward enough to get a tier one pick. And there would be something wrong with the system if they did. But he might well attract a tier two pick, especially if there are lots of clubs chasing his signature. I believe Jade Gresham scored St Kilda a tier two compensation pick last year and, while Gresham's best is pretty good (as is Hayward's as we have been recently reminded of), I don't think it's hard to argue that Hayward's overall contribution has been stronger than Gresham's over the year or two before they became free agents.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1051693/essendon-bombers-land-third-free-agent-as-st-kilda-saint-jade-gresham-makes-move

Other players who secured their losing clubs a tier two compensation pick (from memory and off the top of my head) include Brad Crouch, Tom Doedee and Steven Motlop.

It is possible that even recent past compensation picks aren't a good guide to what might be granted in the future (including 2024) because this is one of the many things the AFL is reviewing. There are some who argue that tier one compensation should start at the end of the first round to avoid dilution of picks for struggling clubs (see Ben McKay and North's pick). That would likely push tier two back to mid second round.

The AFL might also recalibrate tiers and dollars to account for the rising cap, something they attracted criticism for not doing last year. In other words, they measured the contract values offered to moving players against the historic payment tiers in the competition, not taking account of the significant increase in cap that was, no doubt, already factored into some of the contracts these moving players were offered.

[Trever]

Parker was not picked for tonight’s game based on the coaching staff believing he’s not in the best midfield. It’s its 3rd game back. It’s not a match fitness related issue.

Should we be trying to trade Parker for a similar pick that Collingwood obtained for Taylor Adam’s?
He’s got a healthy salary next year that we should be clearing from the books. Should we look for a late 2nd round pick and pay about $200,000 of his salary next season?

[lwjoyner]

still one of our best players,needs to be in side.

[707]

Parker was not picked for tonight’s game based on the coaching staff believing he’s not in the best midfield. It’s its 3rd game back. It’s not a match fitness related issue.

Should we be trying to trade Parker for a similar pick that Collingwood obtained for Taylor Adam’s?
He’s got a healthy salary next year that we should be clearing from the books. Should we look for a late 2nd round pick and pay about $200,000 of his salary next season?

NO.

[waswan]

still one of our best players,needs to be in side.

Heard a rumour he has an issue with playing group ?
Any else heard ?
Was a decent source

[Dow]

Heard a rumour he has an issue with playing group ?
Any else heard ?
Was a decent source

Id be surprised, but who knows they are humans after all.

[SwanSand]

Keep him primed for next week. I doubt there are issues. He is just too similar to Adams. Maybe at some stage Adams will be rested.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Geese Freeo must want Warner and McDonald

[Trever]

NO.

Why not?

Two of the poorer list management decisions in recent times was having Josh Kennedy play in 2022 and Lance Franklin play in 2023. Those two champions played one too long.

They can’t make the same mistake with Parker. If Parker played in 2025 it would be in my opinion one year too long. He has a healthy contact for 2025 so he can choose if he wants to stay. Another club such as North may find his experience invaluable and offer him a two year deal for 2025 and 2026.

Sydney just beat Fremantle, whom have a highly rated midfield, by 40 odd points. This was done without Luke Parker.

The coaches obviously believe that Parker is not worth a midfield spot at the current time.

What is wrong with the club making a decision to try and get his hefty salary off the books in 2025 and get a late 2nd or early 3rd to help with the draft.

[lwjoyner]

because he is a champion SWAN

[707]

because he is a champion SWAN

and a former SWAN captain and a SWAN Premiership player.

But agree it's difficult to slot him back into this winning side - at the moment

[MattW]

and a former SWAN captain and a SWAN Premiership player.

But agree it's difficult to slot him back into this winning side - at the moment

I have a feeling Parker will be back for Carlton at the SCG. Possibly for Roberts, with Lloyd slipping back to that role. The other possibility is Adams, who actually has his spot.


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[Trever]

I always felt that Josh Kennedy could have extended his career by one more season if he took action at the end of 2021. You could see in early 2021 that the new midfield brigade was arriving. Chad, Gulden, Rowbottom, J-Mac and Campbell were coming. Mills had just been moved successfully into the midfield and eventual 2024 Brownlow Medalist Isaac Heeney was always a threat to become the best midfielder in the game.

Kennedy stayed at the Swans for 2022 and tried to play off half back and then injured himself into retirement with no market value left.

At the end of 2021 he could have said to the Swans that I want to move clubs and look for a two year deal. His big body and leadership would have been useful for a developing list at that point and he most probably would have got a two year deal somewhere else.

As it was he stayed at the Swans wanting to be a Scott Pendlebury and missed out in 2023. The deal could have been worth $500,000 to him.

Parker is in the same position now as Kennedy was in 2021. Taylor Adam’s was in the same position at Collingwood and took action.

If you love Luke Parker, you would want him to get a good two year deal to take him through to the end of 2026.

[Dow]

I always felt that Josh Kennedy could have extended his career by one more season if he took action at the end of 2021. You could see in early 2021 that the new midfield brigade was arriving. Chad, Gulden, Rowbottom, J-Mac and Campbell were coming. Mills had just been moved successfully into the midfield and eventual 2024 Brownlow Medalist Isaac Heeney was always a threat to become the best midfielder in the game.

Kennedy stayed at the Swans for 2022 and tried to play off half back and then injured himself into retirement with no market value left.

At the end of 2021 he could have said to the Swans that I want to move clubs and look for a two year deal. His big body and leadership would have been useful for a developing list at that point and he most probably would have got a two year deal somewhere else.

As it was he stayed at the Swans wanting to be a Scott Pendlebury and missed out in 2023. The deal could have been worth $500,000 to him.

Parker is in the same position now as Kennedy was in 2021. Taylor Adam’s was in the same position at Collingwood and took action.

If you love Luke Parker, you would want him to get a good two year deal to take him through to the end of 2026.

JK had ran his race and it was very sad watching it play out, thank god he didn’t extend his contract, Parker is probably paying the price for a winning side and Adam’s is in his spot I reckon.