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  • liz
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    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 16758

    #31


    Someone on the BF Swans site provided this link. Towards the bottom is a table showing most numbers of games played by pairs of team mates. Lloyd and Rampe lead the way amongst still playing pairs of rookies but they are 70 games short of the last entry on the all time list. I don't believe any of those all-time partnerships were between two rookie listed players, but there could be some not in the top 29 all time. It's not obvious to me whether a long list of all-timers can be sourced from the data provided in afltables.

    As an aside, one of the other lists provided is players with the most number of finals games and finals series to their name. In the current players list, the likes of Cunningham, Rampe and Lloyd all make appearances. But I'm surprised not to see Parker's name there, given he's been at the club longer than Rampe and Lloyd (and played in the 2012 finals series). Did he miss an entire finals series through injury somewhere along the way? We've been in so many finals series that my memory is failing me.

    Edit

    After posting, I realised I could look up Parker's stats directly on the same site. It shows he has played in 23 finals, which suggests something has gone wrong with the way those lists in the first link have been compiled.


    2nd edit

    I think the current players' list must use "a game in 2024" to identify them as current. Gary Rohan has played enough finals to make it onto the all-time list but isn't showing on the current players list. He and Parker are both on the sidelines at the moment, so haven't registered a game in 2024. Luke's finals games aren't enough to get him onto the all-time leaderboard. Maybe by the end of this season...
    Last edited by liz; 20 March 2024, 12:30 PM.

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    • neilfws
      Senior Player
      • Aug 2009
      • 1822

      #32
      Originally posted by liz
      https://afltables.com/afl/stats/allt...layers.html#15
      I don't believe any of those all-time partnerships were between two rookie listed players, but there could be some not in the top 29 all time. It's not obvious to me whether a long list of all-timers can be sourced from the data provided in afltables.
      Feels like my first stats challenge for 2024 is underway

      If my numbers are right I have Jack and Grundy on 223 games together - I'll keep you all posted!

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      • neilfws
        Senior Player
        • Aug 2009
        • 1822

        #33
        Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
        Just skimming through who's played the most games off the rookie list, the most likely challengers are Matthew Boyd and Dale Morris from the Bulldogs. Boyd played 292 games and Morris 253, but there's more of a mismatch, in that Boyd debuted in 2003 and retired in 2017, while Morris went from 2005 to 2019.
        An excellent educated guess: if my numbers are right (and I'm still working through it), Morris and Boyd played 212 games together. The winning rookie draft pair is Heath Grundy and Kieren Jack (223).

        Behind Morris and Boyd are Heath Grundy and Nick Smith on 199 - about to be overtaken by Rampe and Lloyd, also on 199.

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        • dejavoodoo44
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          • Apr 2015
          • 8578

          #34
          Originally posted by neilfws
          An excellent educated guess: if my numbers are right (and I'm still working through it), Morris and Boyd played 212 games together. The winning rookie draft pair is Heath Grundy and Kieren Jack (223).

          Behind Morris and Boyd are Heath Grundy and Nick Smith on 199 - about to be overtaken by Rampe and Lloyd, also on 199.
          I knew that you could do it, but I thought it may have been a bit presumptuous to put in a direct request.

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          • liz
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            Site Admin
            • Jan 2003
            • 16758

            #35
            Originally posted by neilfws
            An excellent educated guess: if my numbers are right (and I'm still working through it), Morris and Boyd played 212 games together. The winning rookie draft pair is Heath Grundy and Kieren Jack (223).

            Behind Morris and Boyd are Heath Grundy and Nick Smith on 199 - about to be overtaken by Rampe and Lloyd, also on 199.
            So what are Jack and Smith on? Must be pretty similar to Grundy and Smith, I'd have thought.

            And a highly related question: how many did Grundy, Jack and Smith play together? They have to be the leading trio. Though Cunningham, Lloyd and Rampe might get close.

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            • Maltopia
              Senior Player
              • Apr 2016
              • 1556

              #36
              Originally posted by liz
              Redman is suspended so he's a non-factor this week.

              Not sure Parish is "in-form" given he didn't play last weekend. He's down as a test for this week, so he could come into their side. He's one of those players who consistently racks up large numbers of possessions, though not always with much impact.

              Not sure what is going on with Draper. He didn't play last week but he's not listed on their injury list. I think he had some fairly major injury issue over the off-season and they're easing him back in.
              Thanks for correcting me re Redman.

              Draper played in the 2s last weekend so should be for selection to the senior team this week.

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              • Mel_C
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                • Jan 2003
                • 4470

                #37
                Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
                Not quite. It’s their 200th game of playing together. What rookie list gems they’ve been.
                Ah that makes more sense because it didn't seem right. I didn't read the sentence properly in the Lloyd article.
                Yes they have been rookie gems. And what a great leader Rampe has been.

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                • neilfws
                  Senior Player
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 1822

                  #38
                  Originally posted by liz
                  So what are Jack and Smith on? Must be pretty similar to Grundy and Smith, I'd have thought.

                  And a highly related question: how many did Grundy, Jack and Smith play together? They have to be the leading trio. Though Cunningham, Lloyd and Rampe might get close.
                  Yes, Jack and Smith played 194 together.

                  Trios - well now I'll have to figure out how to count every combination of 3 rather than 2 I'll get back to you on that one.

                  EDIT: OK - I think - Grundy + Jack + Smith = 184. Cunningham + Lloyd + Rampe = 148. I don't have a generic way to count trios yet, just did those ones "by hand".
                  Last edited by neilfws; 20 March 2024, 07:57 PM.

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                  • 707
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                    • Aug 2009
                    • 6204

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Maltopia
                    Thanks for correcting me re Redman.

                    Draper played in the 2s last weekend so should be for selection to the senior team this week.
                    So the Injectors may play two rucks, Goldstein and a recovered Draper? Means Peter Wright probably full time at FF not having to relief ruck. Cunning plan

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                    • Mountain Man
                      Regular in the Side
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 907

                      #40
                      Fox out (ink) and Corey Warner in..
                      More speed

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                      • Dow
                        Regular in the Side
                        • Sep 2022
                        • 826

                        #41
                        Fox out - Warner in.
                        Fox has had a very good start to the year and help make the forward line more dangerous, his defensive as well some nice forward craft have been a real bonus.

                        Warner most likely the sub, not much of a Fan reminds me of Dylan Stephens

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                        • Mountain Man
                          Regular in the Side
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 907

                          #42
                          inj

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                          • Blood Fever
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                            • Apr 2007
                            • 4043

                            #43
                            Fox and his versatility, speed and pressure will be missed. Caleb Mitchell knocking on the door.

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                            • dejavoodoo44
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                              • Apr 2015
                              • 8578

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Blood Fever
                              Fox and his versatility, speed and pressure will be missed. Caleb Mitchell knocking on the door.
                              Yes, I did enjoy Fox's pressure last match and I thought he was a big reason why Collingwood had a lot of trouble rebounding. He generally seemed to be shutting down Collingwood players quicker than they were expecting. Corey Warner is athletic though, so hopefully he'll be able to do a similar job.

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                              • Dow
                                Regular in the Side
                                • Sep 2022
                                • 826

                                #45
                                Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
                                Yes, I did enjoy Fox's pressure last match and I thought he was a big reason why Collingwood had a lot of trouble rebounding. He generally seemed to be shutting down Collingwood players quicker than they were expecting. Corey Warner is athletic though, so hopefully he'll be able to do a similar job.
                                Warner maybe a better option as a sub, he provides more flexibility and Wicks has been quite good last 2 weeks as sub and deserves a full run

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