Draft review

[Newbie]

Originally posted by midaro
Well, that just makes our trading that much worse than I thought it was. He would have turned around quickly enough if we had kept him.

Once we got Richards, he becomes redundant. We should manage a trade for him before getting a deal done for Richards.

Still at worse, it will cost us one more year in the wait for the next one. In this context, dont think the deals are that bad. We could wait 73 years, one extra year wont make any different I think .

[Charlie]

Originally posted by Go Swannies
No we got pick 52.

As I said.

[midaro]

Originally posted by barry
What did St Kilda use to first recruit Barry Hall. I bet it wasnt below 13. So by trading for him, we paid way over what we could have paid had we recruited him first.

Your missing the point of the OP.

When St. Kilda used their Pick 19, there was only a small chance that the player they selected would turn out to be a champion. As Roos' quotes suggest he may not have played a single game in the firsts or may have been delisted after a few years. His probability of being a champion was 0.3 (number out of thin air).

When we traded for Barry Hall, he was a known quantity, the probability of him being a champion was approching 1.0.

That's why the three picks we gave St kilda for Hall weren't over the price, because the probability of any of them gleaning a champion is back down to 0.3 (give or take).
0.3+0.3+0.3=0.9 which is still less than Hall at 0.99.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[Snowy]

Problem with Saddingto is that he's regularly injured and he hasn't yet proven he can get back to his former level which IMHO was overrated anyway. Problem with the trading of draft picks though is that most recruiting people rate the top 40 has having depth and have said that if you pick wisely #32 could be just as good as 25.

[Go Swannies]

Originally posted by midaro
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Is that the way that saying is meant to go??

No wonder I used to get into so much trouble on school dance nights.

[Newbie]

Originally posted by Snowy
Problem with Saddingto is that he's regularly injured and he hasn't yet proven he can get back to his former level which IMHO was overrated anyway.

I beg your pardon, Saddington was very durable before his knee injuries. Excluding that injury, his record was outstanding, 150 games for 25 year-old is not something very common. We should give him his due credit.

[midaro]

Originally posted by Newbie
I beg your pardon, Saddington was very durable before his knee injuries. Excluding that injury, his record was outstanding, 150 games for 25 year-old is not something very common. We should give him his due credit.

Exactly, he's only ever been injury prone since doing his knee about 16 months ago.
He isn't Doyle, Fixter, James etal.
...and he only became the RWO whipping boy when he was forced to play CHB despite never being suited to it.

This was a very bad trade.

[Nico]

Re: Worst trading... ever.

Originally posted by midaro
Have I got this right...

IN:
Chambers
Richards
Pick 52
Pick 55
Pick 61

OUT:
Saddington
Powell
Pick 19
Pick 35
Pick 51

I don't think draft picks really matter after the top 20, but still that's pretty bad. Right?

I have no problem with it. Roos and Barham know what they are doing. Last time I looked they had a very big influence on us winning a flag. I guess for some though, that is all in the past.

I''l take their judgement against yours anytime on recruiting, sunshine.

[craigusvegas]

the problem with saddington was he was never playing as a tall. he always played as a runner/link man. he was never able to assert himself in packs or just play tall- as we know B2 and leo can. recently watched a replay of swans v dons r19 - our ted was assigned to baz - who kicked 7. hope the spirit of the bloods adds a new dimension to his game. but at least he played tall. couldn't see saddo playing on a FF- ever.

[Nico]

Originally posted by ugg
Got done over by other clubs who knew Saddo and Powell wanted to leave. It will be interesting to see what kind of players we chase in the rookie draft.

We got done over because Saddo and Powell wanted to leave???!!!

We got something for them for goodness sake.

I suspect Barham and his boys are having a really good laugh over a beer right now over the fact that 2 clubs fell for blokes who have limited ability.

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by craigusvegas
couldn't see saddo playing on a FF- ever.

Bet he could hold Baz to seven though.

[Charlie]

Re: Re: Worst trading... ever.

Originally posted by Nico
I have no problem with it. Roos and Barham know what they are doing. Last time I looked they had a very big influence on us winning a flag. I guess for some though, that is all in the past.

I''l take their judgement against yours anytime on recruiting, sunshine.

I don't have a problem with any of it except the Saddington trade. I honestly can't see how it is in our own interest. I would have said 'sorry Jason, but you're contracted and we can't get a deal that we are happy with. You're not far out of the best 22, so hang in there and we'll see what we can do next time'.

But no... they decided to be the nice guys. To Carlton's benefit.

[Magic Man]

Originally posted by midaro
Exactly, he's only ever been injury prone since doing his knee about 16 months ago.
He isn't Doyle, Fixter, James etal.
...and he only became the RWO whipping boy when he was forced to play CHB despite never being suited to it.

This was a very bad trade.

I agree, dont understimate the value of a fit Saddington, especially considering he will play as a utility/flanker at the blues rather than KP. - where he played his best at the swans. they have picked up an absolute bargain...........could easily play another 100 games at the blues (assuming no injuries)

I am dissappointed in the trade - would have thought he is just as good as Hay (when he was in his prime) - and look what he went for

[Sanecow]

Re: Re: Re: Worst trading... ever.

Originally posted by Charlie
I would have said '... You're not far out of the best 22, so hang in there ...'.

So you would have lied to him and paid him a Senior salary to play in Canberra?

[midaro]

Re: Re: Worst trading... ever.

Originally posted by Nico
I have no problem with it. Roos and Barham know what they are doing. Last time I looked they had a very big influence on us winning a flag. I guess for some though, that is all in the past.

I''l take their judgement against yours anytime on recruiting, sunshine.

All I ask Nico, is that you tell me approximately how long we have to wait, before we're able to criticise anything done by anyone who was involved with the premiership.
I assume it's some period greater than now, but less than 72 years. Right? :rollseyes: