Dumb punters

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Sanecow
I think the word "luck" is used as an insult. What were the specifically lucky events that led to the Swans' Premiership?

Injuries to two of the key West Coast midfielders for the GF.

The SF win over Geelong. - lucky that Davis kicked the goal with seconds left, lucky Geelong had injuries.

Virtually no major long-term injuries to the Swans.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Pommie Swannie
There is another saying (cliche?) that 'good teams make their own luck'.

So does that mean a team decimated by injuries did not "make its own luck" and is thus somehow to blame?

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Injuries to two of the key West Coast midfielders for the GF.

More than balanced by Barry's cheekbone, Hall's shoulder, O'Loughlin's concussion and Ball's headwound.

Originally posted by NMWBloods
The SF win over Geelong. - lucky that Davis kicked the goal with seconds left, lucky Geelong had injuries.

If you are going to class goals as "luck" then by definition every game of footy is decided by luck.

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Virtually no major long-term injuries to the Swans.

Doyle, Schauble, Nicks, Maxfield, Goodes, O'Loughlin.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Sanecow
More than balanced by Barry's cheekbone, Hall's shoulder, O'Loughlin's concussion and Ball's headwound.

Didn't stop or hamper their ability to play.

If you are going to class goals as "luck" then by definition every game of footy is decided by luck.

I'm not talking about his class, I'm talking about the difference a few seconds made and that Geelong was dead on their feet through lack of players.

Doyle, Schauble, Nicks, Maxfield, Goodes, O'Loughlin.

Schauble couldn't get a game when fit. Maxfield wasn't adding a lot. Neither was Nicks. Jolly was a more than adequate replacement for Doyle. Goodes and O'Loughlin played nearly all season.

[Lucky Knickers]

I've asked the footy gods for a repeat of the conditions in 2005

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Didn't stop or hamper their ability to play.

Determination, not luck.

Originally posted by NMWBloods

I'm not talking about his class, I'm talking about the difference a few seconds made and that Geelong was dead on their feet through lack of players.

A well-rehearsed set play, not luck. There was a center bounce after the goal, it's not like it was after the siren.

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Schauble couldn't get a game when fit. Maxfield wasn't adding a lot. Neither was Nicks. Jolly was a more than adequate replacement for Doyle. Goodes and O'Loughlin played nearly all season.

Schauble, Maxfield, Nicks and Doyle all had long term injuries in 2005. This is the reason they underperformed or didn't make the Seniors. It's not because they suddenly forgot how to play footy.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Determination, not luck.

Get your hand off it...

A well-rehearsed set play, not luck. There was a center bounce after the goal, it's not like it was after the siren.

The play was well-rehearsed, having 2 seconds left given everything that happened, plus the Geelong players too knackered to man up or block the space effectively or to stop the ball getting there at all, plus missing their main ruckman were all good luck.

Schauble, Maxfield, Nicks and Doyle all had long term injuries in 2005. This is the reason they underperformed or didn't make the Seniors. It's not because they suddenly forgot how to play footy.

It's not like any of them would have made a significant difference to the side as it was.

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Get your hand off it...

Hard to argue with such a clever argument. Hmm...

Originally posted by NMWBloods
The play was well-rehearsed, having 2 seconds left given everything that happened, plus the Geelong players too knackered to man up or block the space effectively or to stop the ball getting there at all, plus missing their main ruckman were all good luck.

Get your hand off it...

Originally posted by NMWBloods
It's not like any of them would have made a significant difference to the side as it was.

We'll have to disagree on that one. Compare Maxfield and Bevan in 2004. Still, a very odd definition of good luck.

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
O'Loughlin played nearly all season.

This is "good luck"?

"Knee tendonitis has slowed O'Loughlin. He spends every day of the week in an ice bath and training with his teammates is rarely an option."

[goswannie14]

Originally posted by NMWBloods

I'm not talking about his class, I'm talking about the difference a few seconds made and that Geelong was dead on their feet through lack of players.

Souldn't this read "dead on their feet due to lack of fitness"

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by goswannie14
Souldn't this read "dead on their feet due to lack of fitness"

No bench left.

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
No bench left.

INJURIES ? Sydney: Williams (thigh)
Geelong: King (hamstring)

Were Geelong restricted to a one-man bench?

[Piobaireachd]

Have to agree with all you say moo.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Were Geelong restricted to a one-man bench?

They had other players who couldn't run out the game due to injuries.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Piobaireachd
Have to agree with all you say moo.

Well that just about does it then - there was no luck involved and the Swans won purely because of skill and determination... hmmm so why did they not win the year before... oh well, we should win the next 3 or 4 if luck doesn't count...