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  • NMWBloods
    Taking Refuge!!
    • Jan 2003
    • 15819

    #16
    Originally posted by Sanecow
    I think the word "luck" is used as an insult. What were the specifically lucky events that led to the Swans' Premiership?
    Injuries to two of the key West Coast midfielders for the GF.

    The SF win over Geelong. - lucky that Davis kicked the goal with seconds left, lucky Geelong had injuries.

    Virtually no major long-term injuries to the Swans.
    Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

    "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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    • NMWBloods
      Taking Refuge!!
      • Jan 2003
      • 15819

      #17
      Originally posted by Pommie Swannie
      There is another saying (cliche?) that 'good teams make their own luck'.
      So does that mean a team decimated by injuries did not "make its own luck" and is thus somehow to blame?
      Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

      "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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      • Sanecow
        Suspended by the MRP
        • Mar 2003
        • 6917

        #18
        Originally posted by NMWBloods
        Injuries to two of the key West Coast midfielders for the GF.
        More than balanced by Barry's cheekbone, Hall's shoulder, O'Loughlin's concussion and Ball's headwound.

        Originally posted by NMWBloods
        The SF win over Geelong. - lucky that Davis kicked the goal with seconds left, lucky Geelong had injuries.
        If you are going to class goals as "luck" then by definition every game of footy is decided by luck.

        Originally posted by NMWBloods
        Virtually no major long-term injuries to the Swans.
        Doyle, Schauble, Nicks, Maxfield, Goodes, O'Loughlin.

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        • NMWBloods
          Taking Refuge!!
          • Jan 2003
          • 15819

          #19
          Originally posted by Sanecow
          More than balanced by Barry's cheekbone, Hall's shoulder, O'Loughlin's concussion and Ball's headwound.
          Didn't stop or hamper their ability to play.

          If you are going to class goals as "luck" then by definition every game of footy is decided by luck.
          I'm not talking about his class, I'm talking about the difference a few seconds made and that Geelong was dead on their feet through lack of players.

          Doyle, Schauble, Nicks, Maxfield, Goodes, O'Loughlin.
          Schauble couldn't get a game when fit. Maxfield wasn't adding a lot. Neither was Nicks. Jolly was a more than adequate replacement for Doyle. Goodes and O'Loughlin played nearly all season.
          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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          • Lucky Knickers
            Fandom of Fabulousness
            • Oct 2003
            • 4220

            #20
            I've asked the footy gods for a repeat of the conditions in 2005

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            • Sanecow
              Suspended by the MRP
              • Mar 2003
              • 6917

              #21
              Originally posted by NMWBloods
              Didn't stop or hamper their ability to play.
              Determination, not luck.

              Originally posted by NMWBloods

              I'm not talking about his class, I'm talking about the difference a few seconds made and that Geelong was dead on their feet through lack of players.
              A well-rehearsed set play, not luck. There was a center bounce after the goal, it's not like it was after the siren.

              Originally posted by NMWBloods
              Schauble couldn't get a game when fit. Maxfield wasn't adding a lot. Neither was Nicks. Jolly was a more than adequate replacement for Doyle. Goodes and O'Loughlin played nearly all season.
              Schauble, Maxfield, Nicks and Doyle all had long term injuries in 2005. This is the reason they underperformed or didn't make the Seniors. It's not because they suddenly forgot how to play footy.

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              • NMWBloods
                Taking Refuge!!
                • Jan 2003
                • 15819

                #22
                Originally posted by Sanecow
                Determination, not luck.
                Get your hand off it...

                A well-rehearsed set play, not luck. There was a center bounce after the goal, it's not like it was after the siren.
                The play was well-rehearsed, having 2 seconds left given everything that happened, plus the Geelong players too knackered to man up or block the space effectively or to stop the ball getting there at all, plus missing their main ruckman were all good luck.

                Schauble, Maxfield, Nicks and Doyle all had long term injuries in 2005. This is the reason they underperformed or didn't make the Seniors. It's not because they suddenly forgot how to play footy.
                It's not like any of them would have made a significant difference to the side as it was.
                Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                • Sanecow
                  Suspended by the MRP
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 6917

                  #23
                  Originally posted by NMWBloods
                  Get your hand off it...
                  Hard to argue with such a clever argument. Hmm...

                  Originally posted by NMWBloods
                  The play was well-rehearsed, having 2 seconds left given everything that happened, plus the Geelong players too knackered to man up or block the space effectively or to stop the ball getting there at all, plus missing their main ruckman were all good luck.
                  Get your hand off it...

                  Originally posted by NMWBloods
                  It's not like any of them would have made a significant difference to the side as it was.
                  We'll have to disagree on that one. Compare Maxfield and Bevan in 2004. Still, a very odd definition of good luck.

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                  • Sanecow
                    Suspended by the MRP
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 6917

                    #24
                    Originally posted by NMWBloods
                    O'Loughlin played nearly all season.
                    This is "good luck"?

                    "Knee tendonitis has slowed O'Loughlin. He spends every day of the week in an ice bath and training with his teammates is rarely an option."

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                    • goswannie14
                      Leadership Group
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 11166

                      #25
                      Originally posted by NMWBloods

                      I'm not talking about his class, I'm talking about the difference a few seconds made and that Geelong was dead on their feet through lack of players.
                      Souldn't this read "dead on their feet due to lack of fitness"
                      Does God believe in Atheists?

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                      • NMWBloods
                        Taking Refuge!!
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 15819

                        #26
                        Originally posted by goswannie14
                        Souldn't this read "dead on their feet due to lack of fitness"
                        No bench left.
                        Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                        "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                        • Sanecow
                          Suspended by the MRP
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 6917

                          #27
                          Originally posted by NMWBloods
                          No bench left.
                          INJURIES ? Sydney: Williams (thigh)
                          Geelong: King (hamstring)
                          Were Geelong restricted to a one-man bench?

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                          • Piobaireachd
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 428

                            #28
                            Have to agree with all you say moo.
                            An instrument with only 9 notes! Surely it's easy to play?
                            Enjoy the Coastals Experience!

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                            • NMWBloods
                              Taking Refuge!!
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 15819

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Sanecow
                              Were Geelong restricted to a one-man bench?
                              They had other players who couldn't run out the game due to injuries.
                              Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                              "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                              • NMWBloods
                                Taking Refuge!!
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 15819

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Piobaireachd
                                Have to agree with all you say moo.
                                Well that just about does it then - there was no luck involved and the Swans won purely because of skill and determination... hmmm so why did they not win the year before... oh well, we should win the next 3 or 4 if luck doesn't count...
                                Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                                "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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