Barry, Crouch, Matthews

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by penga
me in my ignorance thought, until recently, that lucas was actually right footed

You've obviously never really been looking when he's playing.
I have never ever seen him use his right foot.

[penga]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
You've obviously never really been looking when he's playing.
I have never ever seen him use his right foot.

well thats the thing, i have seen a bit of lucas (i really like his game) and i thought he was a right footer who could use his left really well

[scurrilous]

Originally posted by Newbie
Licuria is a year or two younger than Crouch. Licuria graduated from the tagging school two years ago. Crouch is still in this school. Given that Cresswell has been missing some games this year, there have been opportunities for Crouch to stand up to take that spot. So far he hasn't. This is really disappointing.

You didn't listen to what I said in your blind rage of fury did you! Instead you went off on your Crouch is crap tangent. Probably didn't even read the whole post? Oh well.

[scurrilous]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
They've played pretty much the same number of games (Crouch only 17 more). However, doesn't it also depend on what the coach wants from them?

Aaaah! As always (well nearly ) you are on my wavelength NMW.

[Newbie]

Originally posted by scurrilous
You didn't listen to what I said in your blind rage of fury did you! Instead you went off on your Crouch is crap tangent. Probably didn't even read the whole post? Oh well.

I understood that your defense of Crouch is along the line: he was given a job by the coach and thus performs accordingly.

The question remained is that why the coach did not give him a bigger role once an opportunity arises (e.g. when Cresswell was absent)???

One answer, people seem often putting up is that we got no one to replace him. I dont buy this. We have many bigger roles unfilled. If Crouch could stand up and take a bigger role, our quest to filling up our cracks will be much easy.

Another answer is the coach does not feel confidence enough to give him a bigger one. If so, it shows his real limitation.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by penga
well thats the thing, i have seen a bit of lucas (i really like his game) and i thought he was a right footer who could use his left really well

If he was like that then he would really be a champion!!

[Plugger46]

Originally posted by Bear
Maxfield is even more reliant on his left...

Dunkley couldn't use either...

Where is the issue?

The simple answer to that is Maxfield can play, Barry can't. Stewie has the ability to get on to his left foot without any trouble, how often do you see him get caught? Hardly ever I would suggest. Maxfield, as soon as he gets it, runs on to his left foot. Barry does the opposite 50% of the time. As soon as Leo gets the footy he runs, and runs without thinking, and consequently gets himself into trouble. That is why I call him a "dumb" footballer.

By the way Dunkley didn't need foot skills, he had a great pair of hands, and a bit of 'nous'. Something severly lacking in Leo's repertoire.

[Nico]

Originally posted by penga
well thats the thing, i have seen a bit of lucas (i really like his game) and i thought he was a right footer who could use his left really well

Penga, I thought you were taking the Pi55 in your first comment on Lucas. Now I think that Neil Armstrong must have left you on the moon in 1969 and you have been listening to a very static call of the footy from Rex Hunt ever since. Looks like a trip to OPSM will do you a lot of good.

[penga]

Originally posted by Nico
Penga, I thought you were taking the Pi55 in your first comment on Lucas. Now I think that Neil Armstrong must have left you on the moon in 1969 and you have been listening to a very static call of the footy from Rex Hunt ever since. Looks like a trip to OPSM will do you a lot of good.

admitdly (sp?), my football knowledge (outside of the swans) has only really start to evolve since i discovered this site late last year and when we subscribed to fox footy at about the same time (oct. last year) my knowledge is quickly growing, but i still dont have everyone down just yet thus, would explain y i thought lucas was a right footer

[Bear]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
The issue is these guys are generally smart with their football. Maxfield tends, somehow, to nearly always be running to his left side. However, I also note that I have seen him kick on the right when he is caught on it.

As for Dunkley, he knew he couldn't kick so he elected to handball instead.

So, players should be able to kick both feet, but if they can't then they should recognise it and play smart. Barry often doesn't and frequently in his run up the ground he runs onto the wrong side and gets himself into trouble trying to correct. If he can't kick wrong foot then the least he can do is learn how to kick on the outside of his foot, like Lucas does.

not true

Maxfield gets caught on his wrong side of his body as well. The advantage Maxfield had is he is more of a receiver and has an easy opportunity to run around the left hand side of his teammate and take the easy handpass to then kick on his left foot - degree of difficulty much less.

In any case, your point was that Barry has no right foot and my point is that he has (for example) a better right than Maxfield, or Bayes or Dunkley - simple fact.

Further, if Maxfield gets caught on the wrong side he slams the ball onto the boot, often causing a turnver - Barry takes on the opponent and has the ability to get out of the situation so he has been given license to do so by Roos.

Dunkley often got caught having to kick it and turned the ball over - many times.

[Alison]

I agree Bear. Also a lot of times when Maxfield goes for a run he is completely by himself whereas Leo is running the ball out of the defence and has players coming at him. Leo is under a lot more pressure when he gets the ball.

[NMWBloods]

But the point about Barry is that he often tries to evade too many players and then runs himself into trouble. If he would dispose of the ball earlier then he wouldn't get into trouble. Additionally, he is bringing the ball out of the half back line and a turnover at that point can be critically damaging, as he proved in the last qtr on Sunday.

It doesn't matter how many other players you comment can't kick on their wrong foot, the simple fact is that Barry frequently gets himself in trouble because of this and that is the key issue.

[Bear]

Originally posted by NMWBloods

It doesn't matter how many other players you comment can't kick on their wrong foot, the simple fact is that Barry frequently gets himself in trouble because of this and that is the key issue.

No it's not, you said that:

"All AFL footballers should be able to kick both feet and there is absolutely no excuse not to be able to."

This is the key point i was responding to and I gave you evidence that quite a number cannot, yet still provide great contributions.

...and i'll tell you why it IS excuseable, because they are human beings that have different strengths and weaknesses, and in the case of a Dunkley or a Bayes, their weaklnesses were overcome by their strengths.

Same applies for Leo Barry whom some seem to have a vendetta against even though, by OBJECTIVE AND INDEPENDENT reports, he is in our best players most weeks.

Simply ludicrous.

[TheMase]

Originally posted by warfes_babe
had good games, rowan when he was on, goodsey, ball.

Do you wear glasses?

Perhaps you should consider ...

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Bear
No it's not, you said that:

"All AFL footballers should be able to kick both feet and there is absolutely no excuse not to be able to."

This is the key point i was responding to and I gave you evidence that quite a number cannot, yet still provide great contributions.

...and i'll tell you why it IS excuseable, because they are human beings that have different strengths and weaknesses, and in the case of a Dunkley or a Bayes, their weaklnesses were overcome by their strengths.

Same applies for Leo Barry whom some seem to have a vendetta against even though, by OBJECTIVE AND INDEPENDENT reports, he is in our best players most weeks.

Simply ludicrous.

Ah, okay so you were responding to something different. I stick by my original point. All AFL players should be able to use both sides of the body. It's simple practice and as professionals they have time to do so.

BTW Bayes could kick exceptionally well with his right foot.

Dunkley could kick equally (badly) with both feet.

I wasn't having a specific dig at Barry, rather that if he gets himself in trouble because he has to get back onto his left foot then that is not an excuse, despite some saying it is. Either learn to kick right foot or don't run to the right side.