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Exactly my thoughts.
If we're as important as Roosy is making out... why aren't they insisting on more games?We hate Anthony Rocca
We hate Shannon Grant too
We hate scumbag Gaspar
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Didn't the swans apply for 6 Melbourne games??
I don't know why the Swans are blamed...the AFL only approve rosters based on financial advantage. Collingwood play a lot of games in Melbourne because their fans come out in force, Hawthorn and St.Kilda have their games funded by the Tas Government, likewise with the Roos in the ACT.
I can't see what the Swans can do that would convince the AFL that it was imperative for them to guarantee a certain amount of games for Melbourne. Melbourne members or not, the Swans have survived for 20 years here because of the plain and simple fact that they are in Sydney. I really don't think the AFL will do anything for the Swans in Melbourne unless in fits in with what they deem to be the correct "grand plan".Comment
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I find it hilarous when I read coments like "the Swans can go and get stuffed" because of where we are forced to play our away games. I'm sure the club would rather play 3 games in Melbourne than 3 in WA and SA, but what can they do ?Originally posted by Damien
Didn't the swans apply for 6 Melbourne games??
I don't know why the Swans are blamed..Comment
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Sorry, Bart, but I think you're a piece of what ever people think you're suppose to be!
I shouldn't say that, should I? Oh well, I must've been in a very bad mood.
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Sorry to speak on behalf of the guy but huh?Originally posted by SXP
Sorry, Bart, but I think you're a pice of whatever poeple think youre'suppose tro be!Comment
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Probably the same reason why the AFL is being blamed by u people for the MCG deal. Oh no wait sorry, isn't it the "Victorian clubs" you people have the beef with?Originally posted by Damien
I don't know why the Swans are blamed...Only 9 notes? How easy can it be!Comment
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People who write off the Melbourne support are as blind as the club on this issue. Sure we are no longer "South Melbourne", but we are still very much the same club and I can't think of another team in this league that is so willing to piss off a quarter of its membership base.
I very much doubt membership would completely be wiped out down here in Melbourne because of the loyality factor, but the numbers will keep on dropping if our treatment keeps going the way it is. The problem I have with this issue is a double edged sword.
1) They keep making statements of how important the Melbourne supporter base is, yet they never seem to back it up. We only get 2 aftermatch functions a year, our club run office is only opened 3 times a week and I'm still to get a copy of our club magazine. To hear Paul Roos state that the club is trying to get more games down here would be hearting, but for the fact we have been down this path before.
In 2000 at the Melbourne family day, Rodney Eade got up and told the crowd that the Swans were going to play a practice match down here the next week, yet in the next days paper we find out that the game is going to played in Sydney.
2) If we are in so much danger financally, how come the club isn't actively trying to improve the Melbourne membership base??? There are so many more non members down here who don't feel taking out membership is value for money, when all you really get for an extra $40 a year is a bumper sticker and a keyring.
You bring up other interstate club, but Brisbane are a good case example of how to go about treatment of members. Even with the "home" the Dees play against them in Brisbane, the Lions have a deal with the AFL to play 6 games at least each year and they also have a pre season match in Melbourne as well. So its not that hard to get us extra games in Melbourne. They also have a socal club in the same spot each year, unlike us who have had to put up with 4 different pubs in 4 different years.
Like it or not the "Melbourne" part of this club is here and its here to stay and if treated right, the club could make more money out of us, than they do now. Just because the club moved North, doesn't mean we fans in Melbourne have less right to OUR club than a part time fan from Bondi. Its a joke it has come to this because we agreed to send our club to you in return for a safe and sound future, the least we can expect is a min 6 games each season with a pre season match thrown in as wellOnce was, now elsewhereComment
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I agree with all you say. I am a longstanding member and attend each Melbourne/Geelong game with a group of other Swans members. I can tell you that none of us is happy with the way things are going. The infrequency of the games makes is very difficult to schedule attendance, particularly this year. When we part at the end of a game we say see you "in 6 weeks" or just "see you". When the next game is due we have to do a ring around to see how many have remembered to keep the gameday free. It is 'easy' to get out of the habit of going to games.Originally posted by robbieando
People who write off the Melbourne support are as blind as the club on this issue. Sure we are no longer "South Melbourne", but we are still very much the same club and I can't think of another team in this league that is so willing to piss off a quarter of its membership base.
I very much doubt membership would completely be wiped out down here in Melbourne because of the loyality factor, but the numbers will keep on dropping if our treatment keeps going the way it is. The problem I have with this issue is a double edged sword.
I am on the brink of dropping my membership for the first time as are a number of my friends. A membership only allows you to go to go 5 or 6 games and you have to have those days available. The wives sometimes want us to go to weddings, birthday parties or any number of things which clash with the footy. So many of us just can't attend on the dates we play here in Melbourne. I have always regarded Swans membership as more of a charitable donation rather than a financial or other benefit to me. Despite what is said from time to time by the club I don't believe that they are sincerely trying to maximise club games in Melbourne and I think they pay scant attention to us.
If we lose one more game in Melbourne they will lose my goodwill....and my membership.
Sure I will still follow them. I'll even attend the games when I can. But I will not be a member. I don't think they really care. Just maybe, if Melbourne membership continue to drop of, the penny may drop. I hope it doesn't come to that.
What's next? Carlton to play there home game against us in Griffith?Comment
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Incoherent as well as in a bad mood. Stay off the booze SXP if it depresses you and turns you into a jibbererOriginally posted by SXP
Sorry, Bart, but I think you're a piece of what ever people think you're suppose to be!
I shouldn't say that, should I? Oh well, I must've been in a very bad mood.
No just the AFL. They signed the deal and then try and renege on it. The AFL have noone but themselves to blame for that one.Originally posted by scurrilous
Probably the same reason why the AFL is being blamed by u people for the MCG deal. Oh no wait sorry, isn't it the "Victorian clubs" you people have the beef with?
Listen, I have nothing but sympathy for our Melbourne based supporters, but there isn't much the club can do about the fixture.
In fact have a look at the Swans requests below for the 2003 season
SYDNEY?S REQUESTS
? Avoid clashes with State of Origin and Super 12.
? Mix of Saturday night and Sunday games.
? Request six Saturday night Sydney games ? three at the SCG and three at Stadium Australia ? and six Sunday games, all at the SCG.
? Maintenance of the Western Bulldogs game in Sydney against the Swans.
? Reduction in Sydney games from 13 to 12.
? To play one more game in Melbourne, taking Melbourne Swans games from six to seven.
? A minimum seven-day break after matches played in Perth.
Reproduction of the program of matches in whole or in part is permitted only with the prior approval of the Australian Football League. The program of matches is subject to change without notice. ? Copyright 2002 - Austalian Football LeagueComment
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GUNN has said what I was going to but what I will repeat is that if Sydney drops one more melbourne game , I'm dropping my membership as will 100's more.No.1 ticket holder of Nick Davis Fan Club...Comment
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How much is a Melb Membership and how do the swans do it? Do they then pay the home clubs for the tickets? how much do the swans pocket from the Melb memberships?
(not meant to be argumentative questions, just interested)Comment
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Add another zero.Originally posted by Cheer Cheer
GUNN has said what I was going to but what I will repeat is that if Sydney drops one more melbourne game , I'm dropping my membership as will 100's more.We hate Anthony Rocca
We hate Shannon Grant too
We hate scumbag Gaspar
But Leo WE LOVE YOU!Comment
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The home team gets to keep 100% of the gate. Therefore all money non member Swans fans in Melbourne pay for admission goes to the other club. The Swans get nothing. On the other hand all the money Melbourne Swans fans pay in Membership fees goes to the Swans. The AFL do take a certain proportion of all membership fees for equalisation etc. That is one reason I encourage all Melbourne Swans fans to take out a membership. I don't like the idea of Collingwood/Essendon etc getting money from us. I thought we need it more. I am no longer convinced of that.Originally posted by Damien
How much is a Melb Membership and how do the swans do it? Do they then pay the home clubs for the tickets? how much do the swans pocket from the Melb memberships?
(not meant to be argumentative questions, just interested)
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Our club?? hmmmOriginally posted by robbieando
Its a joke it has come to this because we agreed to send our club to you in return for a safe and sound future, the least we can expect is a min 6 games each season with a pre season match thrown in as well
I love the fact 'our' club has a wonderful Melbourne supporter base, and has an amazing heritage and history that spans both cites, but the fact of the matter is that the Sydney Swans have survived because of where we NOW exist and have done for 20 years. South were dead or merge bait in '81 and were dead in 92 also. No matter how passionate the hardcore fans were on both occasions, the only reason the red and white still exist is because of the importance that the AFL place on Sydney as a city and brand the swans have built within it.
You would swear to god that Melbourne fans NEVER jumped off the bandwagon based on what I read here from time to time, I remember flying to games in 92,93,94 etc in Melbourne and the amount of swans supporters were very small when copmpared to throngs coming out since 1996.
The priority has to be developing tradition and passion within Sydney. If allowing the Bulldogs to play here helps with that and costs Melbourne a game, so be it.
I was born in Melbourne, and from a passionate Bloods family, I have lived in Sydney since I was 15. (Before anyone decides to jump on me regarding this argument from the tradition angle).Comment
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