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[Ruda Wakening]

Just imagine if you were a loyal employee for four years . Then you were injured, but struggled on anyway, so as not to let your employer down . Then you come out and played an ordinary few games, and in return, your employer questioned your club loyalty because of it .

The CFC can say whatever they like, make things up to suit themselves, but don't appreciate getting a bit back in return . What the hell was he supposed to do ? Tell them mid season he wasn't signing at the end of year , then be punished and treated even worse than he already had been . Copeland Night is still fresh in my memory, but thats just one example .

Mick Malthouses comments about " We only want good people at this club " , really rubbed salt into MY wounds . Seeing he was the one who repeatedly told Nick , and yes i've heard it with my own ears - " There's more to life than Football " .Funny how a guy who lead him onto believe he was there for him through thick and thin, all of a sudden didn't like him, just because he wanted to go home . Wow, some friend . If Nick playing ducks and drakes all year , made him the bad person that MM implied he was, why did they still want to resign him ? If Nick was a proven liar, of bad character, and someone never to be trusted .... MM's " We only want good people at this club " comment, doesn't make any sense, because they were still wanting him to resign anway. If he was such a little monster, why did they say they were going to send MM to Sydney, when Nick bolted from C'Wood pre season , to talk him into coming back ? Why not take the chance to get rid of the ' bad ' people at the club then ...Seems Nicks character wasn't an issue, until he was on his way to Sydney .

Nick didn't have to sign a contract mid season, just because Eddie wanted him to . He looked after himself, and he was well within his rights to do so . If Eddie had half a brain he'd have already worked out that the chances of Nick resigning were very slim, given his personal problems, that may i add - the CFC already knew about . But then again, he might have worked it out, otherwise why publicly try to bully him into signing a contract mid year ?

Nick walked out on a bunch of megalomaniacs and morons , not vice versa . THAT'S why there's so much ill feeling .Basically he didn't ask " How high ", when told to jump .

If you believe any different to that, you should stop believing every single thing you read in the newspaper , or on the C'Wood message board.

Oh, and by the way . You're forgetting Nick also operated with the help and advice of Ricky Nixon

[Jason Nevins]

Originally posted by Ruda Wakening
Tell them mid season he wasn't signing at the end of year

What he shouldn't have said is he was staying at Collingwood, which he did, midseason.

He should have (like the majority of players coming out of contract do) said I'll make a decision at the end of the year. By stating he would stay he only caused more troubles because it raised the hopes of the CFC retaining him.

The fact that he couldn't look at Mick in the eye and say he was leaving says a lot about the guy's character.

[Ruda Wakening]

Absolutley nothing wrong with his character .I can vouch for that . Anyway, they wouldn't have been happy with a " I'll make my mind up at the end of the season " , and therfore he would've still been bullied . Hence him saying what he said in the first place .

[Jason Nevins]

Originally posted by Ruda Wakening
Anyway, they wouldn't have been happy with a " I'll make my mind up at the end of the season "

Why?

If it was good enough for Nathan Buckley to state in 1996 that he would make a decision on his contract at the end of the year when Port Adelaide did everything in their powers to get him than it's good enough for Nick Davis to.

Something's flawed with ones character if you can't look at someone in the face and make a concrete decision when those people made you the player he was.

[daniel f]

Originally posted by Jason Nevins
Why?

If it was good enough for Nathan Buckley to state in 1996 that he would make a decision on his contract at the end of the year when Port Adelaide did everything in their powers to get him than it's good enough for Nick Davis to.

Something's flawed with ones character if you can't look at someone in the face and make a concrete decision when those people made you the player he was.

so on that logic the swans made paul licuria in to the player he is now is that right?

[Joel]

Originally posted by daniel f
so on that logic the swans made paul licuria in to the player he is now is that right?

What?!?

[Triple B]

Problem is....we sacked/traded Licca!!

[Jason Nevins]

Originally posted by BBB
Problem is....we traded Licca!!

For Fosdike...

[Ruda Wakening]

Originally posted by Jason Nevins
Why?

If it was good enough for Nathan Buckley to state in 1996 that he would make a decision on his contract at the end of the year when Port Adelaide did everything in their powers to get him than it's good enough for Nick Davis to.

Something's flawed with ones character if you can't look at someone in the face and make a concrete decision when those people made you the player he was.

What do you think made Eddie decide to bully him in public, to resign mid year ? See, sometimes, its the things that people like Eddie don't say to the media , that tells the real story . Or seeing we're judging characters atm ... What does it say about Eddies to bully someone in public anyway ?

Don't tell me Nicks of bad character, because I'm in a position to know much better than you, that he's not . I don't care about you questioning some of his actions, and I'm even happy to help you out with some of them if I can . But please don't make it all out to be his fault, because quite simply, it wasn't . Eddie was every bit as much to blame as Nick was .Only brainwashed fools believe otherwise .

There's other people who play for C'Wood , besides Bucks, and you know what ? A good few of them can also tell you wonderful tales of humiliation, and alienation, just because they dared to think of themselves, before the CFC .

Speaking about if something's good for one, its good for the other .... Hypothetically speaking , do you think Eddie would have tried to bully a player of Nathan Buckley's status, in public , if he was in the SAME, not similar, position to Nick . I doubt it .

[Triple B]

That's irrelevent Jason.

The draft is littered with cases of players going too high or players who get picked up almost as an afterthought turning into guns.

ALL clubs are guilty of it, even your beloved Pies.

[Jason Nevins]

Originally posted by Ruda Wakening
What do you think made Eddie decide to bully him in public, to resign mid year ?

I don't know. He made a statement, which was totally right. Any successful organisation needs committment from it's employees and staff.

Was it really out of line for McGuire to ask his employees to fully committ to the cause? He came out in the media and didn't mention Nick's name, he made a sweeping statement that at the CFC we need everyone behind the cause and Davis took offence to that.

Nathan Buckley was truthful and honest. He didn't come out midseason and say he was staying at Collingwood and wrongly raise the hopes of the CFC. Trouble is Nick did.

The great Norm Smith said you have nothing if you don't have honesty.

[Triple B]

But Jason.

Eddie (spit) wasn't around in his present capacity with the opportunity and outlets to put enormous pressure on Buckley in '96 to commit to the Pies. On top of this, Buckley DIDN'T want to leave, NEVER wanted to leave.

You can twist it any way you like, but Eddie (spit) used his powerful media position to pressure Davis to commit to Collingwood before he, quite correctly, was prepared to make a decision on his future.

That was unfair and if it was the catalyst for Davis to ultimately decide he wanted out of the fishbowl, than stiff cheddar Eddie (spit).

[CureTheSane]

The way I saw it, when Nick was contemplating leaving, and was honest about that, he was given that very public ultimatum from Eddie

"we only want committed players at our club" or whatever it was.

At the time it could have easily been interpreted by Nick that his chances of getting a game would be greatly reduced had he stuck with his public ambitions to come home, so he shut up.

Sure he may have lied about his intentions at times, but look at the pressure he was under...

A "no comment" would have been lapped up by the media and the Collingwood savages and he would have been constanly looking over his shoulder walking down the Melbourne streets.

Now, here is the thing I really don't understand.......

Some people don't seem to understand that there is a draft in use, and player are going to want to leave their clubs.

Swans supporters went ape **** when Rocca left.
Personally I was happy to see him go, but I have never cried about losing a player.
Some I want to stay at the time, but if they wanna go, the Swans are better off not having them.
Why would Collingwood want Nick Davis playing for them when he doesn't want to be there?

As for the banner, I loved it

That is all a part of footy.

I mean next I will be reading that supporters are not allowed to bad mouth opposition players any more.....

[Snowy]

I can understand the Collingwood fans frustration with what transpired and Jason makes some fair points. But if I recall correctly Davis after round 2 said he wanted to make his mind up at the end of the year and Eddie said a week later that wasn't good enough that he had to sign now. From what I understand Davis is quite immature for his age and probably would not have had the guts to tell Eddie that he still wanted to go home. Or maybe he thought he might stay but changed his mind. If Eddie had handled it like Port is handling Stevens and West Coast handled Judd without the bullying things would never have looked so bad and the bad blood over the matter would not have been created. I think Davis gave a lot more for the Pies than Rocca gave the Swans, or OBree who left Brisbane empty-handed, gave the Lions. You are entitled to hate Davis but I think you are a little bit harsh on a confused kid who evidently did have personal problems. A friend of mine said his parents split really hit him hard. His father has a new partner and they have just had a new son. He had a lot of things to go through.

[Jason Nevins]

Originally posted by Snowy
But if I recall correctly Davis after round 2 said he wanted to make his mind up at the end of the year and Eddie said a week later that wasn't good enough that he had to sign now.

I believe Nick stated he would stay during the year. If he hadn't said this, I would think not many Collingwood fans would feel bitter about him.

Don't normally read too much into this but Licuria refused to shake Nick's hand. Very unlike Licuria to do this.