Delistings/Retirements/Trading

[swans_premiers]

yes but could they kick 30 odd goals to GET US INTO the finals??? remember u have to get into the finals by playing 22 games and Davis has had some great games this season, it would be stupid to trade him and it will NOT happen.

[omnipotent]

I am thinking long-term.

[Roscoe]

Nick Davis is not my favourite player and I don't like his lack of
hardness at the contest, but we must recognise his contribution.

People here have bagged Leo Barry, Crouch, Bolton, Matthews Saddington and Fosdike, but I reckon none of them will be traded.

Our recruiting has improved markedly in the past few years. I hope we (and I'm sure) don't return to the bad old days of picking up recycled duds .

Bomford, O'Connor, Alison, Tingay,Green,Hawking,Russell,Corcoran

Give a young kid a go !

[omnipotent]

go for draft picks, not recycled duds, and thanks Roscoe, someone else conceding how SOFT Davis is.

[liz]

Originally posted by omnipotent
I am thinking long-term.

Actually I think you're thinking short-term both in terms of the future and the past.

Davis was actually one of Collingwood's best in their prelim last year and then had an ordinary GF (under an injury cloud). He was OK for us against Port and OK for us yesterday. Other than Goodes, Willo, Kirk, Maxfield and Hall (and maybe a couple of the youngsters who weren't expected to play anything more than cameo roles) no-one really had a great game yesterday. They battled hard as a team for three-quarters but we never really saw them break into the free-flowing footy they're capable of. Davis was far from the worst of the rest.

It is a myth to think you need 22 hard-nuts in a team to be a premiership team. Sure, you need a strong core of them, but you also need some class and flair to cap off the work of the toughies. Davis provides us with that class and skill and I'm looking forward to seeing him improve next year. Remember he is still young, had no pre-season this year and has improved his work rate and tackling as the season has progressed.

I get amused / annoyed, depending on my mood with people thinking they can identify character flaws just by watching a player kick a ball around the ground. Don't believe everything Eddie tells you.

[omnipotent]

concede that he has class, remember I saw him as a youngster and he had freaky skills, brother Josh went all right too but he had no application. I think Liz that in finals hardness becomes super important, and you need lots of it otherwise the skills don't come to the fore. Finals footy is high intensity, everyone must go up a notch. I don't believe everything Eddie says, but you wouldn't think that Malthouse who rarely condemns people publicly would say how poor a character Davis was if he didn't believe it. Ruda Awakening seems to suggest that he did stuff them around.

[Bron]

Originally posted by Reggi
As I understand the new rule - you cannot trade a player that you have just signed to a new contract.

Rules out quite a few including Kennelly - J Bolton I think - Goodes - O'Loughlin

Jude signed a 2 year contract last year.

[Bron]

Originally posted by Reggi
He doesn't have Bolton's work ethic or toughness though.

Absolutely agree, this is what originally, and continues, to impress me about Jude - he is absolutely committed.

Originally posted by Reggi
IMO the core of that side will be Bolton (1 & 2) Goodes, O'Loughlin, Davis, Barry, Schneider, Doyle, Kennelly, O'Keefe, LRT, Schauble. IMO we erred in going for the local boy (McVeigh) over the inside midfielder (Salopek).

Not sure about Doyle (though it pains me to say it). Really impressed with LRT's finals performance.

[CureTheSane]

Originally posted by Reggi
I must have missed it - how many Sydney Premierships have those players played in.

Are you telling us that clubs that consistenly win Premierships like Brisbane and S&Don trade from other clubs?

Do they?

Cause I ain't seen em do it.

Sorry, but I don't understand the relevance of this argument.

Are you saying that these trades were/are worthless?

You pick out Brisbane and Essendon as teams that 'consistently win premierships'

Brisbane have won 2.
And I believe they inherited , what, 8 Fitzroy players.
Since 96

Mal Michael
Martin Pike
Blake Caracella
David Calthorpe
Stefan Carey
Adam Heuskes
Martin McKinnon
Brad Scott
Chris Johnson
Jarrod Molloy
John Barker
Shane Clayton
Brad Boyd
Simon Hawking
Scott Bamford
Nick Carter

Essendon don't trade much, but still have picked up the likes of

Damian Cupido
Adam McPhee
Paul Salmon
Marcus Pickett
John Barnes
Jonathon Robran
Ilija Grgic

And then we have the Crows, West Coast, Kangaroos, who have all seen success in Sept.
They trade too, but I'm not gonna list them

[Go Swannies]

Jeez, for a minute I thought I'd strayed onto the Port Adelaide fan site. Listen to the negativity in this thread - I'm glad none of you have a say in our listings.

Nick Davis a dud? (Funny that's what a Hawks friend thought of Goodes after we lost that one - maybe he should go too?) Personally I have faith when the ball is going to Nick. And he's a great kick inside and on 50. But Schneider and Hall have missed some sitters in these finals so maybe they should go too?

Fine tune the team and work with the team ethic. Get some bulk (preferably fast, tall bulk) in the midfield. Put LRT on steroids or something to give him 10 more kg. But don't let them read threads like this and think their jobs should be on the line when we are trying to get a club ethos of accountability without fear.

Oh, but that's just the path Paul Roos is following - and he cost us our chance at the Premiership last night didn't he? What a loser! He's gotta go.

[monopoly19]

Nick Davis is staying. Roos himself said that he can't believe it when people say that Davis isn't committed enough (on the field). I remember an interview where he said that Davis' 2nd and 3rd efforts were his best. Coming from the coach, I'd say there's a pretty good chance he's right.

I don't know where the negativity towards Davis has come from - maybe it's just from last night's loss - but just consider the options for a minute. We got Davis for a second round pick. Not only has he kicked 30+ goals this season, but he's had to endure an interstate move, and the s*it he copped with his move from Collingwood, and now the Sydney supporters. Give the kid a break. You cannot develop someone to have the pure talent that Davis has. You can, however, develop someone's work ethic and mental application (just look at Barry Hall's change in attitude this season), and if this is what the consensus believes to be the problem with Davis, well then it can be addressed. Taking a chance on an untested draftee can turn to cr*p very, very fast.

He's staying, and I feel bloody lucky to have him.

[gossipcom]

What about Nick Stevens?

We know Port are basically admitting at the moment that he'll be traded and that CC-Collins is off contract so it'll be interesting to see where those two players end up.

Nadine

[Mike_B]

Nick Stevens would be good to have, but would cost way too much unfortunately.

[Ruda Wakening]

Originally posted by omnipotent
I don't believe everything Eddie says, but you wouldn't think that Malthouse who rarely condemns people publicly would say how poor a character Davis was if he didn't believe it. Ruda Awakening seems to suggest that he did stuff them around.

I'm not going back over the ins and outs of who said what back then . I have never suggested that it was Nick who was at fault . If you've taken what i've said the wrong way, lets just call it a misunderstanding ...

More importantly though, bugger the C'Wood supporters who spend countless hours discussing such important issues as " Whats Tania Buckley Wearing To The Brownlow ".... and lets get our attention away from the heart and soul of the Collingwood rumour- hate mill , which is Nicks Bulletin Board ...

Go and ask Mick or Eddie now, if they'd like to have Nick Davis playing next week, after Rocca gets a couple of weeks at the Tribunal .

From the conversation i had today, i can promise you the answer is yes .

[neored]

Originally posted by Mike_B
Nick Stevens would be good to have, but would cost way too much unfortunately.

Nick Stevens will be at Collingwood next year...its almost guaranteed. Listening to the Port CEO a few weeks ago, he altogether conceded Stevens was a lost cause.

I was aghast to read some suggest that Lenny Hayes is overrated. Anyone that has seen him play this year would never doubt his quality. He gets plenty of the ball and is always clean with his disposal.

As an outsider, I think that some of you are panicking, rather prematurely so. You have a fairly good list, though next year will be pivotal for your club. There are two ways you can go; the young players will continue to improve or much like my club in 1994 they'll stagnate.

The other thing that should be of concern is whether you mid-range players can continue their excellent form next year. Typically mid range players have one or two very good years throughout their career. And since you do have quite a few mid range players, then there is a danger that some may have a poor year, which would hurt you more than most clubs.

The draft this year is rumoured to be pretty thing, so pick 18/19 is not going to get you that superstar that your club needs. The only player I've heard Sydney linked with is Bradshaw.