OFFICIAL Draft 2003 Thread

[stellation]

COLLINGWOOD
Ecstatic after Julian Rowe, taken at 60, was rated 40 picks higher by the club. Took a punt on Morrison, injured this year but fantastic potential. With father-son picks, a great haul. 8

(from hun )

did we really want to take the punt on Davis if we had the chance to screw Eddie?

At least if Davis makes seniors we now have D1 and D2 too

[stellation]

Re: Re: Amon Buchanon at # 45?

Originally posted by lizz
Having said all that, I can't think of a plausible reason why Amon was taken at 45.

I agree with you there Lizz, I have been mulling it over myself... happy for him to be given another chance, but surely he would have still been around at 59?

[hardluck_harry]

Re: Re: Re: Amon Buchanon at # 45?

Originally posted by stellation
I agree with you there Lizz, I have been mulling it over myself... happy for him to be given another chance, but surely he would have still been around at 59?

Maybe they stuck to the taking the best available player, after 44 picks were taken maybe Amon was the 45th best in their opinion.

[jimmytootle]

Re: Amon Buchanon at # 45?

Originally posted by jimmytootle


But what continues to puzzle me is the Buchanon pick at 45. While I'm happy for him, I can't believe we missed out on the tall, athletic, Pettigrew who Port picked up on the very next pick.

Wasn't the mantra, a couple of midfielders and a defender?

Sorry to quote myself and to keep on about this Pettigrew thing but just to emphasise how big a blunder we made (Remember one of the key requirements was for a tall defender, we had already made our play for midfielders), Robbieando had Pettigrew rated at # 20 and the AFL Phantom Draft had him rated at # 31. Here is an excerpt from the results of the draft camp:

Michael Pettigrew
?Michael Pettigrew from Western Australia produced three of the very good performances. His speed ranked him up in the top half-a-dozen of all time as well and for a boy that?s 193 or 194cm and a key position player, who is so quick over the ground, it really makes the clubs have a good hard look at how his footy?s been going in the last couple of years. You don?t just adjust your assessment on him, because he?s certainly got that speed to play at a higher level, in those vital key position roles.?

So he goes all the way through to Pick# 45 and we pick ... Amon Buchanan ... and Pettigrew goes next pick. See my previous post if you share in my frustration.

[Newbie]

I am mulling about the Buchanan's selection myself. However, I have no doubt that Michael Pettigrew is overrated. Blaming the Buchanan's selection for the "lost" of Pettigrrew is unfair to our recruiters. A mistake in any discussion here has no impact on the club but any mistake by them would be heavily scrutinized and criticized.

[hardluck_harry]

In my opinion they've drafted players to replace guys that will retiring or leaving over next 1-3 years, hopefully they turn out as good or better.


Joshua Willoughby 176cms, 70kgs/Paul Williams 176 cms 82 kgs


Tim Schmidt 179cms, 78kgs/Stuey Maxfield 178cms 82 kgs


Amon Buchanan 180cms, 80kgs/Daryn Cresswell 183 cms 87 kgs


Andrew Ericksen 205cms, 89kgs/Jason Ball 200cms 104 kgs


Matthew Davis 190cm, 90kg/Rohan Warfe 190cm 89 kg - don't know if this kid is a forward or defender.

[hardluck_harry]

SYDNEY
16 JOSHUA WILLOUGHBY
17, 176cm, 69kg
An Australian schoolboy tourist to Ireland, he is a lightly built midfielder with kicking skills to rival the best of recent years, including Darren Jarman.

If he kicks as good as D Jarman, the forwards are going to have it pretty easy over the next 10 years. LOL

[Wedgie]

Matthew Davis is a young country U17 player who injured his ankle in his 3rd game with us early this year against Sturt. We played him as a CHF. Don't think he played again after that at North but he played in the A's at Jamestown as a mid fielder. Was not going to enter the draft but I believe Sydney spoke with him on the basis of it being a long shot with no promises. Totally out of left field. Am not sure if he would even get a game with our League at present but he is a really nice lad with much potential. Just finished Year 12.

[liz]

Re: Re: Amon Buchanon at # 45?

Originally posted by jimmytootle
Sorry to quote myself and to keep on about this Pettigrew thing but just to emphasise how big a blunder we made (Remember one of the key requirements was for a tall defender, we had already made our play for midfielders), Robbieando had Pettigrew rated at # 20 and the AFL Phantom Draft had him rated at # 31. Here is an excerpt from the results of the draft camp:

Michael Pettigrew
?Michael Pettigrew from Western Australia produced three of the very good performances. His speed ranked him up in the top half-a-dozen of all time as well and for a boy that?s 193 or 194cm and a key position player, who is so quick over the ground, it really makes the clubs have a good hard look at how his footy?s been going in the last couple of years. You don?t just adjust your assessment on him, because he?s certainly got that speed to play at a higher level, in those vital key position roles.?

With respect though, just because various phantom drafts had him rated in a certain position, doesn't mean that the club recruiters think that. Every year - and maybe this one more than most - players go earlier or later than projected and many don't get taken at all.

Recruiters aren't looking at what players can do now but seeking hints of what they may be able to do with a few years in the AFL system. They are also looking at personality, physique (or parents as well as the player himself) and all sorts of intangible qualities. We've just let go another tall, young, WA potential key defender without him playing a senior game. Maybe they saw Pettigrew as another Hunt. None of us here has a clue whether Pettigrew was even on the club's short list.

As far as the descriptions go, bear in mind that they all make every potential draftee sound like a world-beater. You have to take some of what they say with a grain of salt.

Maybe I'm looking too hard for an explanation for the Buchanan decision but one plausible reason is that it was a move to buy them time. You'd have to think they'd made their mind up on Davis at our last pick and redrafting Buchanan must have been pretty much set in stone. That meant they just had the one decision to make at 45. They took their extra 2 minute allowance and used most of that up before they called out Amon's number. My guess is that they were still mulling over who else to take with their one 'live' pick left and decided to buy themselves a few more minutes by choosing Buchanan at 45 rather than 47. They were probably pretty sure that no-one else was looking at Davis so it didn't matter which way round they picked him and Buchanan.

It's a huge leap of imagination to assume that just because Pettigrew was taken at 46 he was one of the players they were pondering. He could have been, but so could the other 1400 players who nominated and were still available.

[jimmytootle]

Originally posted by Wedgie
Matthew Davis is a young country U17 player who injured his ankle in his 3rd game with us early this year against Sturt. We played him as a CHF. Don't think he played again after that at North but he played in the A's at Jamestown as a mid fielder. Was not going to enter the draft but I believe Sydney spoke with him on the basis of it being a long shot with no promises. Totally out of left field. Am not sure if he would even get a game with our League at present but he is a really nice lad with much potential. Just finished Year 12.

Lizz your points are very well made but considering the above and the hype on Pettigrew, if Pettigrew proves to be a dud and Davis a winner, or either/or, I will be making a personal and public apology to Barham and co.

[jimmytootle]

Originally posted by Wedgie
Matthew Davis is a young country U17 player who injured his ankle in his 3rd game with us early this year against Sturt. We played him as a CHF. Don't think he played again after that at North but he played in the A's at Jamestown as a mid fielder. Was not going to enter the draft but I believe Sydney spoke with him on the basis of it being a long shot with no promises. Totally out of left field. Am not sure if he would even get a game with our League at present but he is a really nice lad with much potential. Just finished Year 12.

Lizz your points are very well made but considering the above and the hype on Pettigrew, if Pettigrew proves to be a dud and Davis a winner, or either/or, I will be making a personal and public apology to Barham and co.

[Reggi]

According to K Sheahan on Foxffoty R Barham saw one of his u17 games and had seen enough to suggest he may be a player.

Interesting that Sydney urged him into the draft - apparently Ricky believes he has pinched a good player here.

Wait and see I guess

[Bas]

Twenty four hours since the draft and everyone suddenly has a crystal ball.

Who would have predicted the future of Goodes and Schneider after 24 hours?. Time will tell. What the hell is an AFL body? If he could be half the player that Misiti was at his best, I'd be happy.

I'm surprised no one has mention Kevin Sheehan's comments at the end of the Ch 10 programme yesterday. He said that he tracked down Barham to find out about Davis. He said Ricky was very excited (over the moon I think) that he beat others in getting him. He said that he was similar to Saddington (obviously someone from the Herald Sun heard this as well) and would be a defender.

I was surprised about Amon getting re-drafted but I'd be guessing that the Club thought he would be better than the kids left in the draft. Remembering that it is better to experiment with rookies because of the amount of money it costs the Club when drafting a player. Financially, Amon was a better player and ready for firsts.

Peter Filandia was always regarded as Eade's pet. Does this mean Amon becomes his replacement with the Swan's?. Has done a Luffy now as well. Amazing story considering he was not invited to the AFL Draft Camp and was at best expected by his coach (Geelong Falcons) to be picked up as a rookie. Hopefully next year and minus the injuries he might start showing his football brain. Schneider's elevation as a player spelt the death knell for Amon but you just have to trust the Club's recruiting.

By the way no one has mentioned that Willoughby and Schmidt were the joint winners of the U16's Kevin Sheehan Medal. So they certainly have potential.

Maybe we should ask Bron to single out Ricky Barham at the next Swan's function and ask him about this years selections. At least it would give Jude a break!

[Red]

Originally posted by penga
with that mentality, u should support carlton, as they followed your recruiting policy to a T in this draft

has nothing to do with the game plan roosy is creating or anything does it??? i do remember a mention about hard running in there somewhere...

Originally posted by robbieando
So just where would he have fitted into our team??? Not CHF as Barry Hall will have that spot for the next few years, not at FF as we have the likes of Doyle, Ball and O'Loughlin playing though there. Morrison was not a need we needed to fill, if he had fallen to later in the draft then maybe, but there isn't a spot for him in the team.

We need small ball winning midfielders, and we got what we wanted.

Youch. <i>"He who dares unseat the Emperor risks death by a 1000 cuts".</i>

Yes, of course we need quality ball-winning inside-midfielders -- and if we got them well and good. But these guys are just so <i>small</i> -- realistically it's going to take years for them to come on.

Meanwhile, we let a KPP that could possibly start his senior career next season go to Collingwood. Obviously he wouldn't be replacing the guys you mention, Robbie. But it only takes one or two of them to go down (and they invariably will) and suddenly we look a bit short. We are not so well endowed in the KP stakes that it's a "not a need we needed to fill".

I guess what I meant was, as we probably would've got Schmidt anyway, we passed on a potentially ready-to go KPP in favour of a development on-baller.

And worst of all, he went to <i>Collingwood</i> instead!

[Reggi]

Red being realistic - if Morrison had been a quality key position player a la Riewoldt or Kosshereninstxke he would have gone top 5.

As excited as C/wood are today - most likely he is a marginal prospect.

There are times when we should leave this stuff to the experts.