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  • Snowy
    On the Rookie List
    • Jun 2003
    • 1244

    #31
    Rama is a run of the mill receiver who is pretty ordinary in one on one contests.
    LIFE GOES ON

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    • monopoly19
      Senior Player
      • Aug 2003
      • 1098

      #32
      Originally posted by Captain

      Ramanaskus is an absolute gun.
      I don't know which Ramanaskus you've been watching but all I see is an outside receiver with a nice kick. He will never become more than what he is now.

      Fosdike, on the other hand, is at least his equal atm, and will only get better with time.

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      • Snowy
        On the Rookie List
        • Jun 2003
        • 1244

        #33
        great to see monopoly 19 that not everyone is blind to Rama's inadequacies. Now he has the capacity to be a very good kick but coughs it up quite a bit. Try his right foot and see how he goes. Put him in an ordinary team and he would have very little impact.
        LIFE GOES ON

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        • NMWBloods
          Taking Refuge!!
          • Jan 2003
          • 15819

          #34
          Originally posted by monopoly19
          I don't know which Ramanaskus you've been watching but all I see is an outside receiver with a nice kick. He will never become more than what he is now.

          Fosdike, on the other hand, is at least his equal atm, and will only get better with time.
          Why won't Ramanauskas get better?

          Why do some people say [Swans player] will only get better with time, but [non-Swans player] is a hack/ordinary/soft/receiver/never get better/etc...

          It's as foolish and one-eyed as so many of those people on BF are!!
          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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          • Dpw
            On the Rookie List
            • Jan 2003
            • 829

            #35
            Originally posted by NMWBloods
            Why won't Ramanauskas get better?

            Why do some people say [Swans player] will only get better with time, but [non-Swans player] is a hack/ordinary/soft/receiver/never get better/etc...

            It's as foolish and one-eyed as so many of those people on BF are!!
            Spot On!

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            • dendol
              fat-arsed midfielder
              • Oct 2003
              • 1483

              #36
              I think the problem we have with Fosdike is that he hasnt turned out to be the prolific ball winner we all expected a #3 draftee to be. So therefore we pay closer attention when he does get the ball, and then bag him when he stuffs it up.

              The last few weeks, his disposals off both sides have been magnificent. He has hit targets alot more consistently than he had been doing earlier in the season. The problem is that he usually thinks he doesnt have as much time to use the ball, and so he rushes the kick.

              Jude's kicking has also seemed to improve in the last few weeks, but if anyone has paid close attention, you will notice he is lacking the confidence to kick to a leading target. If he receives the ball on the wing, he has tended to kick it backwards/sideways to a team-mate in the clear. Im not sure if its because there are no targets in front of him, or hes scared he will miss. His running and set shots at goal also show how he lacks confidence with his kicking - much like Goodes when he was up forward.

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              • stellation
                scott names the planets
                • Sep 2003
                • 9721

                #37
                Originally posted by NMWBloods
                Why won't Ramanauskas get better?

                Why do some people say [Swans player] will only get better with time, but [non-Swans player] is a hack/ordinary/soft/receiver/never get better/etc...

                It's as foolish and one-eyed as so many of those people on BF are!!
                stop being rational stats boy
                I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                • NMWBloods
                  Taking Refuge!!
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 15819

                  #38
                  I think they're all good points Dendol.
                  Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                  "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                  • NMWBloods
                    Taking Refuge!!
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 15819

                    #39
                    Originally posted by stellation
                    stop being rational stats boy
                    Someone has to be!!
                    Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                    "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                    • Newbie
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 720

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Snowy
                      Rama is a run of the mill receiver who is pretty ordinary in one on one contests.
                      We could say the same thing for Fosdike too. The only notable difference to me is Rama is a 60-metre player while Fosdike is around 40-metre player.

                      Would prefer Rama over Fosdike without much difficulty. Likewise for Hayes over Bolton. Could live with a combo of Rama/Bolton or Fosdike/Hayes however.

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                      • monopoly19
                        Senior Player
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 1098

                        #41
                        Originally posted by NMWBloods
                        Why won't Ramanauskas get better?

                        Why do some people say [Swans player] will only get better with time, but [non-Swans player] is a hack/ordinary/soft/receiver/never get better/etc...

                        It's as foolish and one-eyed as so many of those people on BF are!!
                        [NB. What follows is an opinion]

                        Ramanauskas is a good player in the role he plays - he doesn't get the ball as much as Lenny Hayes, he's not as hard at it as Bolton (ball winning ability off your own bat, rather than relying on receives), and while I'll admit I was a little hasty in saying that he won't improve (it's the one-eyed thing coming into play), I stand by my statement that he is no better than Fosdike now, and the gap will only increase with time.

                        Fosdike has shown glimpses of class that as yet have not been sustained. If you compare Bolton, Hayes and Fosdike, it's Fosdike and Hayes that, IMO, are the similar ones. Fosdike has the ability to find the ball (or receive it, more likely) and make good use of it on most occassions. His faults lie in the fact that he does not win enough of it himself as an in-and-under midfielder, which is a criticism also directed at Hayes and that his disposal is sometimes shaky. Fosdike will get better, because he ultimately has the class and skill (greater than that of Ramanauskas).

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                        • SwansRock
                          On the Rookie List
                          • May 2004
                          • 92

                          #42
                          mmm

                          there is no way in the world i would go against Jude.


                          he is a swan a swan and thats what he's best at.


                          even if Hayes started making a world record or somehting like that i would never go against Jude.
                          Brett Kirk and Jude Bolton.....need i say more???

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                          • NMWBloods
                            Taking Refuge!!
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 15819

                            #43
                            Re: mmm

                            Originally posted by SwansRock
                            there is no way in the world i would go against Jude.


                            he is a swan a swan and thats what he's best at.


                            even if Hayes started making a world record or somehting like that i would never go against Jude.
                            I think this is the type of thing Jeff Wells was complaining about.
                            Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                            "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                            • NMWBloods
                              Taking Refuge!!
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 15819

                              #44
                              Originally posted by monopoly19
                              [NB. What follows is an opinion]
                              Nothing wrong with an opinion!
                              Ramanauskas is a good player in the role he plays - he doesn't get the ball as much as Lenny Hayes, he's not as hard at it as Bolton (ball winning ability off your own bat, rather than relying on receives),
                              Hayes is a pure midfielder whereas Ramanauskas plays a variety of roles.
                              and while I'll admit I was a little hasty in saying that he won't improve (it's the one-eyed thing coming into play), I stand by my statement that he is no better than Fosdike now, and the gap will only increase with time.
                              Maybe they are only as good as each other, but there is absolutely nothing to suggest Fosdike will get better and better.
                              Fosdike has shown glimpses of class that as yet have not been sustained.
                              And Ramanauskas shows plenty of class too.
                              If you compare Bolton, Hayes and Fosdike, it's Fosdike and Hayes that, IMO, are the similar ones. Fosdike has the ability to find the ball (or receive it, more likely) and make good use of it on most occassions. His faults lie in the fact that he does not win enough of it himself as an in-and-under midfielder, which is a criticism also directed at Hayes and that his disposal is sometimes shaky. Fosdike will get better, because he ultimately has the class and skill (greater than that of Ramanauskas).
                              Firstly, I can see anything that suggests he has greater skill than Ramanauskas.

                              Secondly, Fosdike and Hayes are probably a better comparison, but Hayes is streets ahead there - both are 'outside' midfielders and Hayes gets aheap more possessions, as well as a lot more clearances.

                              Bolton might leap into packs more than Hayes, but Hayes gets more possessions and more clearances.

                              That would make Hayes more effective than either Fosdike or Bolton, and no doubt he will improve a lot too.
                              Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                              "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                              • Captain
                                Captain of the Side
                                • Feb 2004
                                • 3602

                                #45
                                Re: Re: mmm

                                Originally posted by NMWBloods
                                I think this is the type of thing Jeff Wells was complaining about.
                                That is so true.

                                Add the Fosdike rubbish to that as well.

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