After the Cats, How can we justify Jude @ $300 000

[footyhead]

This is the problem as I see it.
The Swans are a pretty Good team (sure we could do with a Gorilla in the back line, and we need our Small forwards on the paddock), we have all bases coverd , exccept 1.
True class in the Midfeild !
So how can we pay Jude $300000 + a seasone when we are constantly getting beaten there ?? when our delivery to the forward line is so much more than often Flawed ?
We need a fab five, and we wont get them if we over reward mediocre players in the midfeild with huge contracts.
It makes it impossible for us to procure really good midfeilders, because we have blown the budget on ok ones!
Bolton on $300 000 + means that even if we could get a judd or a Voss or a Harvey or a Hird or a Riccuto or a Macleod or a Cousins or a Buckley, We would completly break the bank on account of the fact that they would have to be paid so much more than Jude, just cos they would be three times as important to the team than him.
Can the Swans affored to pay a truley gun midfeilder $700 000 + a year. Cos thats what I would want if I were anyone of those players (in their prime) comming to Sydney with a player like Jude on $300 000 + a year !! Even if we draft a truely gun midfeilder with a number 1 pick, it would not be long before he would be legitimatley demanding a lot more than Jude if he at all lived up to his potential !
As we cannot pay it in one lump sum to 1 or a couple of players, the extended salary cap might be keeping us in a state of mediocrity !!

[DST]

Re: After the Cats, How can we justify Jude @ $300 000

Originally posted by footyhead
This is the problem as I see it.
The Swans are a pretty Good team (sure we could do with a Gorilla in the back line, and we need our Small forwards on the paddock), we have all bases coverd , exccept 1.
True class in the Midfeild !
So how can we pay Jude $300000 + a seasone when we are constantly getting beaten there ?? when our delivery to the forward line is so much more than often Flawed ?
We need a fab five, and we wont get them if we over reward mediocre players in the midfeild with huge contracts.
It makes it impossible for us to procure really good midfeilders, because we have blown the budget on ok ones!
Bolton on $300 000 + means that even if we could get a judd or a Voss or a Harvey or a Hird or a Riccuto or a Macleod or a Cousins or a Buckley, We would completly break the bank on account of the fact that they would have to be paid so much more than Jude, just cos they would be three times as important to the team than him.
Can the Swans affored to pay a truley gun midfeilder $700 000 + a year. Cos thats what I would want if I were anyone of those players (in their prime) comming to Sydney with a player like Jude on $300 000 + a year !! Even if we draft a truely gun midfeilder with a number 1 pick, it would not be long before he would be legitimatley demanding a lot more than Jude if he at all lived up to his potential !
As we cannot pay it in one lump sum to 1 or a couple of players, the extended salary cap might be keeping us in a state of mediocrity !!

Footyhead, get a grip.

As has been pointed out many times in the other thread, $300,000 is not obsence amount of money.

Fact is, if you are in your mid twenties and have played around 100 games and are in the clubs plans for the next three years (which Jude is) then all clubs are paying that type of player around that mark.

It would make your eyes water if you knew what some very ordinary players are on in Melbounre.

Based on market rates, Jude is worth every cent of the $300,000 we are going to pay him.

And yes Sydney can afford to pay a gun midfielder $700,000 a year now and even more so when both Maxfield and Williams are gone.

DST

[footyhead]

Re: Re: After the Cats, How can we justify Jude @ $300 000

Originally posted by DST
Footyhead, get a grip.

Based on market rates, Jude is worth every cent of the $300,000 we are going to pay him.

And yes Sydney can afford to pay a gun midfielder $700,000 a year now and even more so when both Maxfield and Williams are gone.

DST

Well if thats the case ok then, lets go to tha bank get the 700 G and go get one, No lets get 2 cos willo and Stewie have just about had it.
I am sick of us getting smashed in the middle.

[red_avengers]

stop jude bashing please

If there is one person who earns their keep in the team its gotta be Jude. His hardness at the ball and courage can't be questioned. OK the team lost on the weekend but put it in perspective its not his fault.

[DST]

Re: Re: Re: After the Cats, How can we justify Jude @ $300 000

Originally posted by footyhead
Well if thats the case ok then, lets go to tha bank get the 700 G and go get one, No lets get 2 cos willo and Stewie have just about had it.
I am sick of us getting smashed in the middle.

I understand your frustration I feel the same as well.

Problem is that quality players such as the ones you quoted don't move clubs very often, we were lucky enough to have all the stars and moon aligned to get Barry Hall to the club.

I would suggest trying to trade to get a pick lower in the draft this year, but the problem with that is two teams are going to get priority picks which means these clubs will have the first four picks.

Both of them need midfielders so that means the talented on ballers will be depleted later in the draft for midfieders unless we get another 2002 vintage year.

DST

[simone]

and you know what, "we" don't actually determine who gets paid what!
could you imagine the saga this board would have then?!

[footyhead]

Re: Re: Re: Re: After the Cats, How can we justify Jude @ $300 000

Originally posted by DST
I understand your frustration I feel the same as well.

Problem is that quality players such as the ones you quoted don't move clubs very often, we were lucky enough to have all the stars and moon aligned to get Barry Hall to the club.

I would suggest trying to trade to get a pick lower in the draft this year, but the problem with that is two teams are going to get priority picks which means these clubs will have the first four picks.

Both of them need midfielders so that means the talented on ballers will be depleted later in the draft for midfieders unless we get another 2002 vintage year.

DST

This is the problem with the draft as it is now.
It is very hard for teams who are in the middle of the comp to improve. The tendancey is to stay at the same level or go down the ladder.

[Heavs]

The thing with contracts is that it doesn't matter what you think the player is worth - it is what they are worth on the open market. Look at Carlton with Kouta - there is no way he was ever worth the contract he was signed up to but the club were desperate to keep him and because other clubs were circling and offering big money they had to match it to keep him there.

If you don't think that a whole raft of Melbourne clubs would willingly pay Jude $300K then you are dreaming. Off the top of my head I would say that Richmond, Carlton, Filthwood, Essenscum and Dawks all are in desperate need of quality midfielders (which he is.) If in the next three years he goes on to be an elite of the competition, which he has the potential to be, than the money he is getting paid will seem like chicken feed ...

Heavs

[DST]

Originally posted by simone
and you know what, "we" don't actually determine who gets paid what!

Heres a novel way we can determine who gets paid what.

Everyone gets paid a base amount of say $50,000 per year (that is 38 @ $50,000 = $1,900,000).

We then take the remaining $4,900,000 and divide that by 22 H&A games and a maximum 4 finals, which is $186,461.54 per game.

We then have a straw poll on RWO and determine who gets paid what per game out of the overall pot.

If we don't make the finals then that money gets returned to the club so it acts as an incentive.

DST


P.S Before anyone replies back and says I am a loney, I am joking

[Schneidergirl]

I don't see how this thread can be posted based on Sunday's game!
Did you not see Jude play? He had his body on the line every chance he got.
I am sick (to death) of the constant Jude bashing that goes on this board.
It really makes me wonder if you watch the game at all.
Where do you base your decision that he is not worth $300K? IMO Jude is worth every dollar he gets.

[footyhead]

this is not an attack on jude, but it is an attack on our midfeild.
We need better players in there !

[swansrule100]

I hope Jude Bolton has never been on this forum!!!!

He is easily worth 300k by current standards, he is a good midfielder and at least his effort can never be faulted, unlike some of the team!

[NMWBloods]

Given the absurd amounts of money being paid to footballers now, as the second or third midfielder in a side and given the effort he puts in every week $300K is probably about right for J Bolton.

I wouldn't say he is worth every cent though.

[swansrule100]

it does depend on the amounts paid to others yes!!!

if we were paying jude 300 and wce paid judd say 300 or less then it would be a stupid figure... but if jude 300 judd would be about 600

[footyhead]

Originally posted by swansrule100
it does depend on the amounts paid to others yes!!!

if we were paying jude 300 and wce paid judd say 300 or less then it would be a stupid figure... but if jude 300 judd would be about 600

Correction if Jude is $330 000, then Judd should be $660 000 + leverage (which his agent or manager should be able to get cos every one wants him He is a STAR !) so lets say $ 40 000 + 15 % ($90000 approx,extended salarey cap) so $750 000 - $800 000 total.
I want him, then I would not mind paying jude.