Trade Goodes?

[Charlie]

Why does a tall player necessarily have to play a tall player's position.

Goodes would be the most devastating ruck rover in the competition, given the chance.

[Wazza]

Originally posted by Charlie
Why does a tall player necessarily have to play a tall player's position.

Goodes would be the most devastating ruck rover in the competition, given the chance.

well said and very true im suprised anyone would really want to trade Goodes. 1 bad season playing with 2 bung knees i thought hes done ok, opposition teams realised he didnt have full mobility and ran off him. Good tatics did we use him correctly knowing this??

Cheers

Waz

[NMWBloods]

Of course he can play ruck rover. He can just as easily, and possible even more effectively, play the follower role. I don't understand why he isn't.

[midaro]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Of course he can play ruck rover. He can just as easily, and possible even more effectively, play the follower role. I don't understand why he isn't.

Disagree.
I wouldn't want Goodes and another ruckman on the ball at the same time.
Goodes' advantage in the ruck is at ground level against the opposition's ruckman.
I don't believe he could match a 'regular sized' midfielder at ground level.

[sharpie]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Of course he can play ruck rover. He can just as easily, and possible even more effectively, play the follower role. I don't understand why he isn't.

He isnt because he is in a team with too few talls and too many shorts.

[Captain]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Of course he can play ruck rover. He can just as easily, and possible even more effectively, play the follower role. I don't understand why he isn't.

Because of two dodgy knees.

I fear Goodes wil never be able to return to his best (due to injury). If this is the case, I agree with those that say trade him whilst his value is inflated.

[liz]

Originally posted by Captain
Because of two dodgy knees.

I fear Goodes wil never be able to return to his best (due to injury).

Medial ligament strains are not that unusual and don't seem to have long term lingering effects (or at least, not within the context of the general battering all AFL players' bodies get).

Crouch apparently did the same thing to his knee back in 2001 that Goodes did to his other knee - ie a partial tear of the posterior cruciate - and he experienced a lot of discomfort for the rest of that year but since then has had no problems with it. It hasn't noticeably affected Crouch's speed or agility.

So unless you're Goodes' medico and know something the rest of us don't, there is no reason to presume the worst and write him off just yet.

[Captain]

Originally posted by liz
Medial ligament strains are not that unusual and don't seem to have long term lingering effects (or at least, not within the context of the general battering all AFL players' bodies get).

Crouch apparently did the same thing to his knee back in 2001 that Goodes did to his other knee - ie a partial tear of the posterior cruciate - and he experienced a lot of discomfort for the rest of that year but since then has had no problems with it. It hasn't noticeably affected Crouch's speed or agility.

So unless you're Goodes' medico and know something the rest of us don't, there is no reason to presume the worst and write him off just yet.

The Swans have said on numerous times that the knee won't heal and Goodes will have to get used to it.

Comparisons to Crouch with this sort of injury are pointless. It obviously has affected Goodes far more than Crouch. Whilst you are at it, why not compare him to Michael Gardiner?

The point is, Goodes has played like crap ever since he did his knee. It's common belief that his form has suffered as he is injured. Why didn't they rest him? Apparently because that wouldn't make any difference to the healing process.

[liz]

Originally posted by Captain
The Swans have said on numerous times that the knee won't heal and Goodes will have to get used to it.

Comparisons to Crouch with this sort of injury are pointless. It obviously has affected Goodes far more than Crouch. Whilst you are at it, why not compare him to Michael Gardiner?

The point is, Goodes has played like crap ever since he did his knee. It's common belief that his form has suffered as he is injured. Why didn't they rest him? Apparently because that wouldn't make any difference to the healing process.

You're right that the injury won't heal, per se. Unlike the ACL it cannot be fixed. However, nor is the PCL quite as critical to the functioning of the knee as the ACL.

The way players "recover" from an injury such as Goodes has is to

a) get used to the strange, looser feel and learn to believe that the knee is not about to fall apart

b) strengthen other muscles around the joint to provide more stability

c) possibly adapt running / jumping / twisting action to compensate for the looser feeling.

Michael Gardiner has torn his PCL much more badly than Goodes. His is reported as being a grade 3 tear - Goodes' as a "1.5". There is apparently an operation that can be done on a tear such as Gardiner's (or Brisbane's MacDonald), one that gets the knee to about the same degree of health that Goodes' currently is. The rate of success is lower than for the full knee reco, however.


My observation on Crouch having exactly the same injury is based on comments he himself made in an article a couple of months ago. Crouch seemed to think it was pretty much the same injury but if you know better, fair enough.

[Captain]

Originally posted by liz
My observation on Crouch having exactly the same injury is based on comments he himself made in an article a couple of months ago. Crouch seemed to think it was pretty much the same injury but if you know better, fair enough.

I guess the point is, Goodes has struggled to maintain form after his injury as opposed to Crouch.

[liz]

Originally posted by Captain
I guess the point is, Goodes has struggled to maintain form after his injury as opposed to Crouch.

Do you remember much about Crouch's form back in 2001? I know I don't.

[Captain]

Originally posted by liz
Do you remember much about Crouch's form back in 2001? I know I don't.

Good enough to get himself a game considering he was a fringe player fighting to keep his spot.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by midaro
Disagree.
I wouldn't want Goodes and another ruckman on the ball at the same time.
Goodes' advantage in the ruck is at ground level against the opposition's ruckman.
I don't believe he could match a 'regular sized' midfielder at ground level.

Well, as a follower (which is a ruck position) he wouldn't be on the ball with another ruckman at the same time. Still, as ruck rover I think he has the ability to match most midfielders.

[jude_boltons_babe]

are you thinking straight

remember last year adam won the award just remember he has been playing with injury and his knees straped i think you need youre head read if you think they should get rid of adam goodes