Mark McVeigh?

[stellation]

End of the season so time for the annual Mark McVeigh chat. Averaged 16.1 disposals in the second half of the season (+ the finals) and ran into some excellent form at the tail end of the season averaging 19 disposals since Rd18 (I realize disposal stats aren't everything). Has he priced himself out of what we would be willing to trade for him (keeping the Sheedy factor in mind)?

[cruiser]

I read or heard somewhere last week that Mark McVeigh was going to give some serious thought to moving to Sydney, however did also say that he is very happy at Essenson.

[Bear]

Would love him. Has shown a lot IMO in the second half of this year, but I think Ess would want (say) Saddo and 1st round draft pick. I would be more than happy with Saddo and 2nd round.

[Charlie]

Hmm... just considering the two discussions in the past couple of days... who would we prefer?

McVeigh, answering the call of home and hearth, or Bruce, answering the call of dollars and sense?

[Charlie]

Originally posted by Bear
Would love him. Has shown a lot IMO in the second half of this year, but I think Ess would want (say) Saddo and 1st round draft pick. I would be more than happy with Saddo and 2nd round.

Absolutely not.

You're essentially saying that McVeigh is worth Davis + Saddington!!

[liz]

Originally posted by Bear
Would love him. Has shown a lot IMO in the second half of this year, but I think Ess would want (say) Saddo and 1st round draft pick. I would be more than happy with Saddo and 2nd round.

I've warmed to the idea of McVeigh since his move to the Essendon midfield but I reckon you're valuing him too highly, going by past trades. He's shown he can be a good midfielder but he's never going to be elite.

Either that, or you're undervaluing Saddington. There is a premium on tall players, even if they are doubtful KPPs. I know it was the con of the century, but remember Essendon got the no 6 pick last year for Jacobs. Saddo's knee may be a bit of an issue but if the Swans did decide he was expendable there would be a fair bit of interest in him from other clubs. Anything less than a mid to late first round pick, or as part of a trade for a player they really want, would be foolish IMHO. I reckon he's worth at least as much as McVeigh at the trade table, arguably more.

[Bear]

Just being realistic rather than looking through red and white glasses. Remember there are two sides of the negotiation table and Ess will naturally want > or = his market price. Finishing 5th we are not in a particularly strong position. It's not like McVeigh is persona non grata (ala Davis at Feralwood), so Ess can stand firm. We willl have to present a compelling argument to Ess before they let him go.

Footnote: Saddo's weaknesses and lack of development (as well as his strengths) are now widely known. IMO he is is not as valuable as a couple of years ago when he had a lot more 'potential'.

[Charlie]

Ok, sure. But we are still in the position of comparative strength if he wants to leave because he's out of contract, and we're the only club he'd be interested in.

Essentially, if he wants to come we can take or leave whatever offer they make, then try for him through the PSD. If we don't get him, we don't get him... but there's no way in hell he's worth what you suggested... whether Essendon wants that or not.

[midaro]

Fosdike straight swap.
Pick 15 is too much (maybe), Pick 31 is too little.

...or PSD (but can you imagine the reaction - Melbourne teams would scream)

[Bear]

We are not in a position of strength - if McVeigh wants to come here it is quite 'even'. As McVeigh is relatively happy at Ess, he is not desperate enough to try the PSD.

The reality is that the respective footy depts will either do a deal during the trade - one that is attractive to Ess - or McVeigh will remain a bomber. The PSD would be like flirting with the electric chair.

[Thunder Shaker]

There is also the consideration that Essendon may also wish to unite the brothers at Bomberland by making an offer for Jarrad. Sheeds may still be keen. Now if Jarrad was to be traded to the Dons, what would you want for him?

You're probably thinking of first-round draft picks right now.

Given that Mark has shown some form this year, I expect the Bombers are thinking the same way. Sheeds is a skilled negotiator. If he got the merest hint that the Swans were that keen on getting Mark, he would be also thinking of first-round draft picks.

[midaro]

Originally posted by Bear
We are not in a position of strength - if McVeigh wants to come here it is quite 'even'. As McVeigh is relatively happy at Ess, he is not desperate enough to try the PSD.

The reality is that the respective footy depts will either do a deal during the trade - one that is attractive to Ess - or McVeigh will remain a bomber. The PSD would be like flirting with the electric chair.

IMO McVeigh has shown the classic symptoms of wanting to go home. Every player says "Oh, but I'm happy here, too". Its the trading equivalent of "We're just taking it one week at a time" or "Yeah, the boys played really well today". It's just something that meat popsicles are taught to say.

If we are prepared to take the backlash we can get him in the PSD, no question:
1. In the days of 38 player lists noone is going to take a player who wants to be somewhere else.
2. McVeigh can put a massive price on his head.

[midaro]

Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
There is also the consideration that Essendon may also wish to unite the brothers at Bomberland by making an offer for Jarrad. Sheeds may still be keen. Now if Jarrad was to be traded to the Dons, what would you want for him?

You're probably thinking of first-round draft picks right now.

Given that Mark has shown some form this year, I expect the Bombers are thinking the same way. Sheeds is a skilled negotiator. If he got the merest hint that the Swans were that keen on getting Mark, he would be also thinking of first-round draft picks.

Yep, that's the big problem with the scenario. If we're not prepared to pay the price for Mark, we could lose Jarrod.
But they are both still young and I'm beting that the 'return home' factor is stronger than the 'brothers wanting to play together' factor.

[Charlie]

Jarrad McVeigh has already ruled out moving to Melbourne. It's simply not something he wants to do.

Mark, however, keeps his options open and his lips zipped. If they are going to play together, it will be at Sydney.

Either the price is right, or we don't buy. Surely that's how EVERY trade should be treated. Simply, McVeigh would not be better value to us than Saddington and a top 30 pick.

[Bear]

Originally posted by Charlie
Either the price is right, or we don't buy. Surely that's how EVERY trade should be treated.

Simply, McVeigh would not be better value to us than Saddington and a top 30 pick.

And unfortunately Ess will say... either the price is right, or we don't sell. They are not weak trade negotiators.

As for the 2nd statement... presenting your opinion as fact is not legitimate, especially when there are so many hypotheticals involved.