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Bear - you're the one proposing the trade. Justify it... keeping in mind that recent trades the Swans have been involved in have valued Nick Davis as roughly equivalent to a high second-round draft pick.
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Saddo + 2nd round pick is absurb. McVeigh is not worth anything more than a 20th-25th draft pick. Given that we are holding the chip in the bargain. 2nd round pick is the way to go. @@@@ Essendon. If they dont want the trade, f&&k them.Originally posted by Bear
And unfortunately Ess will say... either the price is right, or we don't sell. They are not weak trade negotiators.
As for the 2nd statement... presenting your opinion as fact is not legitimate, especially when there are so many hypotheticals involved.
What we got to loose? Nothing, absolutely nothing!!!!
Mark McVeigh IS an Essendon player right now and thus there is NO sentimental about getting him. He wants to come to us. Cannot understand why someone would rate Saddo that lightly. Saddo deserves Mark McVeigh + Essendon first pick if they want to trade. Jacobs is no where as good as Saddo and yet Jacobs = pick 6.Comment
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Do you think they actually valued Nick Davis as worth a 2nd round pick or they valued Nick Davis in that situation as a 2nd round pick?Originally posted by Charlie
Bear - you're the one proposing the trade. Justify it... keeping in mind that recent trades the Swans have been involved in have valued Nick Davis as roughly equivalent to a high second-round draft pick.
I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his timeComment
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Wasn't McVeigh a top 10 draft pick himself? He is still young, had been a decent contributor for Essendon and is now coming off an excellent season. Is he really only worth 20-25?Originally posted by Newbie
Saddo + 2nd round pick is absurb. McVeigh is not worth anything more than a 20th-25th draft pick. Given that we are holding the chip in the bargain. 2nd round pick is the way to go. @@@@ Essendon. If they dont want the trade, f&&k them.
I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his timeComment
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I don't really know his worth, but I'd say that he is worth less to us than he is to Essendon, which could mean that no trade will ever eventuate (simply because we don't want to give up what the Dons want for him). I think he's a fair player, and I especially liked his game against us in round 21, but unless he develops his midfield game further I can just see him ending up as another one of our small defenders turned midfielder which we seem to have an abundance of. They're good on their up days (Mathews, Crouch, Fixter, Bevan etc.,) but not good enough to base a premiership midfield around, IMHO.Originally posted by stellation
Wasn't McVeigh a top 10 draft pick himself? He is still young, had been a decent contributor for Essendon and is now coming off an excellent season. Is he really only worth 20-25?
Still, I'd like to see him in Sydney, but not at the expense of Saddington, or even Fosdike.
On another note, what a bad weekend for the McVeigh clan!Comment
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1998 National Draft
3. Nick Fosdike
8. Jude Bolton
9. Mark McVeigh
Stats Comparison
IMO Mark McVeigh is Nic Fosdike with better disposal.
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Can't seeEssendon trading him. His resurgence in the 2nd half is due to him being released to the midfield. If they think they have found a quality midfielder in their midst there is no way they will let him go.Comment
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He's probably worth more than 20-25 but not Saddo + a first (or even second) round pick.Originally posted by stellation
Wasn't McVeigh a top 10 draft pick himself? He is still young, had been a decent contributor for Essendon and is now coming off an excellent season. Is he really only worth 20-25?
The fact that he was a first round pick in his time is irrelevant this far into his career. The fact that he's a regular Essendon senior player, hard-at-the-ball, physically strong for his size, decently skilled and has had a good second half to the season is relevant.
I'd probably "value" him around the same as Bolton (this year's version) or slightly lower than last year's version of Bolton - but there's probably not much in it, at least from a trade pov. But offered a swap between McVeigh and Bolton my preference would probably be to keep Bolton.Comment
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What I like about McVeigh is that (from what I have seen) when he moves into the midfield he plays a more attacking role than the "small defenders that move into the midfield" we have at the moment. He also provides excellent delivery to forwards.I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his timeComment
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IMO people are overrating McVeigh.
If he wasn't from NSW and didn't have a brother playing with us, he would never be targeted by anyone.
He's a trade week side-dish, and certainly dosen't account for this statement:
"the club's improvement would be via an 'aggressive' campaign in the upcoming trade and drafting period."
Last edited by midaro; 12 September 2004, 04:30 PM.Comment
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McVeigh is significantly better than Fosdike - why on earth did we not take him in the draft?Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.
"[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."Comment
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I am not too sure what was going on with recruiting that year.Originally posted by NMWBloods
McVeigh is significantly better than Fosdike - why on earth did we not take him in the draft?
Edit: I wasn't going to say it, but couldn't help myself. Lenny Hayes.Last edited by stellation; 12 September 2004, 04:47 PM.I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his timeComment
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Correctamundo.Originally posted by NMWBloods
McVeigh is significantly better than Fosdike - why on earth did we not take him in the draft?Comment
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I think his play this season would merit going after him, although I am not sure about Saddo + a pickOriginally posted by midaro
IMO people are overrating McVeigh.
If he wasn't from NSW and didn't have a brother playing with us, he would never be targeted by anyone.
He's a trade week side-dish, and certainly dosen't account for this statement:
"the club's improvement would be via an 'aggressive' campaign in the upcoming trade and drafting period."
http://sydneyswans.com.au/default.as...ticleid=170660
If he was one of a number of trades the club did during the period, or if they got away with murder (ala the Nick Davis trade), which I don't think is going to happen, it would certainly fit into the agressive campaign.I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his timeComment
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Without necessarily agreeing with that statement, drafting is part research and part luck.Originally posted by NMWBloods
McVeigh is significantly better than Fosdike - why on earth did we not take him in the draft?
Why were Murray Vance, Brandon Hill, Danny Roach, Mark Kinnear etc etc etc drafted at all, let alone with top 10 picks.
Why wasn't Simon Black the top pick in his year?
Why did Adam Goodes last until 40-something?
Why did Paul Bevan, Aaron Davies, Damien Peverill etc etc slip through to rookie drafts.
If anyone has a fail safe crystal ball can they go and deliver it to Barham, Ireland and Roos right now. Do not stop! Do not pass Go!Comment
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