Jolly

[Ryan Bomford]

My only memory of Jolly is the couple of good grabs and the two? goals he scored against us at the SCG in 2003. He seemed alright then.

[Rob-bloods]

Jolly Jolly

Footy players are like porno stars, you have to pay for the extra inches!

No 6'7" player comes cheap and at least the guy does not seem to come with long term injury baggage.

I am happier trading 15 for Jolly, than trading for two first round picks and then giving them to Tigers, with Ottens suspect back!

[Ryan Bomford]

Re: Jolly Jolly

Originally posted by Rob-bloods
Footy players are like porno stars, you have to pay for the extra inches!

Sounds like a statement from a man of experience! I take it you're 6ft7" then or is your experience in the other direction?

[cruiser]

Draft picks are so often pure luck. I only found out the other day that Scarlett was selected by Geelong at around pick 45. How lucky was that? Likewise Fevola was picked up by Carlton around pick number 30.

[NMWBloods]

Scarlett was a father/son pick.

[SWANSBEST]

Does any one have any idea what money per season JOLLY will be paid ?

[timthefish]

Originally posted by Captain
I agree we need a ruckman. I just think a first round pick for a back up is pretty steep.

what is the hangup with this term "first round pick"? as far as i have seen, after the first half dozen in the draft, the unpredictability of player development is so great that number 15 might as well be a second round pick.

[Nico]

Ball to retire was a strong rumour earlier in the week. Could have some legs, as was rumoured this morning that another recruiting manager was really peeved when they thought they had Jolly yesterday, only to be gazzumped by Sydney at he death. Apparently Barham copped a mouthful. Carlton I believe.

Story was that Ball was on the verge of retiring so Jolly was the best option given Ottens was as good as a Geelong player.

[Nico]

Just picked up this thread this arvo. I was more than disgusted with the comment by Tilt, I was extremely offended. I have been called a number of names for my views on a couple of players (which I am entitled to, and I don't get personal about them, and have accepted humble pie), but that comment was as low as the group of people he was alluding to.

I would like to put it to the moderators that this immature individual, which is being kind to whomever it is, be DELISTED from the site.

No matter what people think of others views and whether people are negative etc. we should not have to put up vial trash like that.

[sharpie]

now for something completely irrelevant:

this post has taken 1st place in the most views category since the beginning of time.

and it sits 3rd on the all time most posts category.

Darren has a Jolly big reputation to live up to!

[Charlie]

Originally posted by Nico
Just picked up this thread this arvo. I was more than disgusted with the comment by Tilt, I was extremely offended. I have been called a number of names for my views on a couple of players (which I am entitled to, and I don't get personal about them, and have accepted humble pie), but that comment was as low as the group of people he was alluding to.

I would like to put it to the moderators that this immature individual, which is being kind to whomever it is, be DELISTED from the site.

No matter what people think of others views and whether people are negative etc. we should not have to put up vial trash like that.

As I said, I too was disgusted and offended by the comment... I'm also more than disappointed that the user hasn't bothered to delete the post and apologise - as he/she has had ample opportunity to do.

I don't know about delisted - but posters have been suspended for far less than that.

[liz]

Originally posted by Reggi
If reports are true that Richmond have Simmonds for a 2nd rnd pick.

We have paid a very high price for an unproven player, not upset about getting a back-up ruckman - but for a 1st rnd pick Jaysus you only get 10 of them given to you every decade

Pick 15 vs pick 20 is probably a better way of comparing them, rather than 1st round vs 2nd round. If we'd had a pick in the early 20s we might have been able to use that, but we didn't have anything else available to trade before no 31.

While Simmonds may be a more proven performer than Jolly he is also nearly 3 and a half years older. It is unlikely that Simmonds will get any better, while Jolly is still in that age bracket where it is reasonable to expect improvement, especially as a ruckman. And if he proves to be competent we should get more years of service out of him than we would have from a Simmonds.

[Dpw]

Originally posted by liz
Pick 15 vs pick 20 is probably a better way of comparing them, rather than 1st round vs 2nd round. If we'd had a pick in the early 20s we might have been able to use that, but we didn't have anything else available to trade before no 31.

While Simmonds may be a more proven performer than Jolly he is also nearly 3 and a half years older. It is unlikely that Simmonds will get any better, while Jolly is still in that age bracket where it is reasonable to expect improvement, especially as a ruckman. And if he proves to be competent we should get more years of service out of him than we would have from a Simmonds.

Not sure I agree there Liz, the reason for Simmons departure was due to the fact he played as a key forward for most of the season not in his preferred position in the ruck. Chris Connelly wrote a serious of articles in the West stating there was alot of disharmony amongst the playing group because of set ups ie rotation policy and players playing out of postion I feel that Simmonds hasnt played anywhere near his best and will thrive with increased time in the ruck at the Richmond. I personaly think he will improve quite considerably over the next 3years

[caj23]

had richmond not held the aces with 1st pick in the PSD Freo would have got significantly better value for him

[Tooth Fairy]

Originally posted by Charlie
As I said, I too was disgusted and offended by the comment... I'm also more than disappointed that the user hasn't bothered to delete the post and apologise - as he/she has had ample opportunity to do.

I don't know about delisted - but posters have been suspended for far less than that.

Yeah. I got delisted once for telling Gemma to Fob off once in a PM mind you. Friggin Nazi But I'm too talented to be banned for good

Anyway, lighten up people. I think Jolly will be a good thing and that yes 15 is a bit much but 17 would have been great