Maxfield

[cressakel]

Originally posted by Go Swannies
I thought Nicks put in a good performance on Sunday.

No No No, you had the wrong tape.....

The tape you inserted into the DVD/Video player was a Sydney vs Hawthorn game circa 1997-2001 and not last Sunday's game....

[Wil]

I think Nicks is just holding down Bevan's spot in the team until Bevan is a bit more reliable and consistent.

[Plugger46]

Cressakel,

I haven't just said this about Maxfield now, I've been saying it for about 12 months. His form has gradually declined over the last 2 years. Maxfield only averaged 14 possessions a game last season. I know stats aren't everything, but I question if that's adequate from a captain playing in the middle.

Nicks on the other hand, had a better season than Maxfield last year so you wouldn't be writing him off on one performance.

[cressakel]

Originally posted by Plugger46
Cressakel,

I haven't just said this about Maxfield now, I've been saying it for about 12 months. His form has gradually declined over the last 2 years. Maxfield only averaged 14 possessions a game last season. I know stats aren't everything, but I question if that's adequate from a captain playing in the middle.

Nicks on the other hand, had a better season than Maxfield last year so you wouldn't be writing him off on one performance.

Maxfield's average of 14 possessions per game is efficient considering that 14 times 22 players is 308 possessions, which is about the average number of possessions per team per game - therefore he is doing his job.

Also, considering that Maxfield is what I term an 80 metre player (ie. runs with the ball 20-25 metres and kicks the ball 55-60 metres), I consider his 14 possessions per average the equivalent of say a Matthews, Kirk or J.Bolton's 20 possession per game average.

Sometimes, Plugger46, supporters have to look past the paper the following day after a game that has the stats and look at the contribution of a player to the benefit of the team. Rodney Eade obviously had the same issues with Maxfield's output (playing him off the bench for lengthy periods of games for years) as yourself until someone quite rightly pointed out Maxfield's strength's (ie. 80 metre player) against his weaknesses near the end of Eade's tenure at the Swans - which if course was too late for the putz....

I'll leave you with the following thought -

Are you ever frustated with the Swans stuffing around with the ball from the half-back line to the half-forward line time and time again, whereas your frustation is eased totally when Maxfield gets on to the ball on the half-back/wing area and kicks long to either a leading target or Swans forward pack DEEP IN THE SWANS FORWARD LINE ??!!!

How easy we forget, but considering Maxfield has been executing this bit of play for so long now, we just come to expect Maxfield to do what he does so well.....

P.S. I am sure you will find that Maxfield only averaged 14 possessions per game per season since his debut back in 1990.

[Charlie]

Well, these are his yearly averages since he arrived at the Swans (rounded to nearest 0.1):
1996 - 16.3ppg
1997 - 15.1ppg
1998 - 13.8ppg
1999 - 14.3ppg
2000 - 13.1ppg
2001 - 18.3ppg
2002 - 15.9ppg
2003 - 16.3ppg
2004 - 14.2ppg

Overall - 15.3ppg

So I guess that's probably a fair comment, Cressakel. He was probably under used a lot by Eade, but he wasn't as fit in those first five years either. He's declined since his peak in 2001, but only gradually. The low average in 2002 is a bit of a surprise.

Source: http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/p..._Maxfield.html

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by cressakel
Maxfield's average of 14 possessions per game is efficient considering that 14 times 22 players is 308 possessions, which is about the average number of possessions per team per game - therefore he is doing his job.

That's a very misleading use of stats.

Also, considering that Maxfield is what I term an 80 metre player (ie. runs with the ball 20-25 metres and kicks the ball 55-60 metres), I consider his 14 possessions per average the equivalent of say a Matthews, Kirk or J.Bolton's 20 possession per game average.

Distance doesn't necessarily mean everything. Many of Kirk's possessions are handballs, yet they are effective because he gets the ball in traffic and finds an open player.

[cressakel]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
[B]That's a very misleading use of stats.

The majority of stats are misleading. I was trying to make a point on the ridiculosness of the stat before me.



Distance doesn't necessarily mean everything. Many of Kirk's possessions are handballs, yet they are effective because he gets the ball in traffic and finds an open player.

Try telling that to Denis Pagan with any effectiveness. Pagan is on record as saying Maxfield is the perfect player for his game plan.

Maxfield's long 25 metres runs and 55-60 metre kicks are more effective, as there is less room for error even compared to a handball to a player in the open.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Originally posted by cressakel
Also, considering that Maxfield is what I term an 80 metre player (ie. runs with the ball 20-25 metres and kicks the ball 55-60 metres),

I agree, also his ferocity at the ma and ball sets a great tone for the rest of the team.

[NMWBloods]

I'm not saying that Maxfield's long distance play is not very useful, I'm simply stating that it's not necessarily the case that it is better by itself than a shorter-distance player.

[Plugger46]

Judging by the stats Charlie put up, I'm prepared to accept that the 14 possession average is irrelevant. However surely noone can tell me that he is having the same impact as he did from '96-'02. I agree entirely that Eade didn't use him enough, and that was one of the reasons why we all disliked Eade so much. But that's all water under the bridge now.

Maxfield no longer has the same pace, penetration in his kicking, or accuracy in his kicking.

[Nico]

Am I to understand that you are officially of Maxfield P46?

Geez mate you gave Craig Nettlebeck more chances.

[Bleed Red Blood]

Originally posted by sharp9
I was gonna start this thread too. 93 minutes, 8 touches....6 clangers (plus a couple of really ordinary fumbles which don't go in the stats book 'cos he didn't take possession when he should have).

Where do you get your time on ground and clanger stats??

[ScottH]

Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
Where do you get your time on ground and clanger stats??

Herald Sun

[The Undertaker]

Originally posted by Bear
Yes I agree. I think if he was not captain he would be in grave danger of being dropped given our depth.

Would not be surprised if he did not see out the season, and I'm not just saying this after one game, more after his last 12 months and stage of his career.

At this point he is a 'passenger' and needs to improve dramatically.

I tend to agree,

I love Maxfield(see signature)and enjoy watching him play but i think he was ordinary last sunday.

If he wasnt captain,he would be dropped.

i hope he picks up his form but its only early days and there is a long way to go

[motorace_182]

Maxfield has not run 20-25 then pumped it long for a long time. Its barely seen over the alst two seasons. To average only 14 possessions while playing in the midfield is ****house.
Dont use that crappy stat of 22 x 14, cos not all players are expected to get 14. What about the defenders, or the full forward, or those predominately on the bench. It is up to the midfielders, eg maxfield, to lift the possession count up. 14 a game for a skipper in the centre is pretty weak.