Great game LRT

[Foreign Legion]

Need a new thread for this but the Reserves is the problem.

Monty, ROK, Schneider, LRT!, Doyle, Fosdike, et al devloped there skills in the VFL.

Powell played about 2 games for Port, the rest of 'em never did. Hard to develop skills against average (non professional) talent.

Don't forget to add another to the above list - Tadhg Kennelly - the most innocent of the above. Played at least 20 games for Port Melbourne!

THAT'S DEVELOPMENT!

[Ruda Wakening]

Originally posted by Sean
Are they constantly producing good kids? I'm hearing that a lot but I'm not sure how much evidence there actually is. With an injury plagued start to the season they lost 5 games at home and haven't made it back into the 8. They are still reliant on the same players that they have been for the last 5+ years.

Their only kids that have developed into real top class players since '98 are Headland and Brown - one was high draft pick and one was a F/S pickup. Headland has obviously turned out to be a bit of a dud but he did appear to be very good at Brisbane.

I can see your point but i think if you took the players that Brisbane had injured/suspended out of any side it may tend to struggle. Some of those kids were thrown in at the deep end and did very well. Brisbane have won a game less than St Kilda & Richmond who've both got an abundance of kids due to early picks as opposed to being in the top 2 sides for the last 5 years.

Reliant on the same players? Probably, though i think many sides do similar. We could say that Craig Bolton, Paul Williams, Barry Hall, Leo Barry & Brett Kirk are relied upon and have been for quite some time.

Might also be fair to say that some of the players who have actually become relied upon in Brisbane developed further and improved since 99 under Leigh Matthews. If we do that we can throw in others who were 'kids' at the time of his arrival and have developed into top players ... such as Simon Black, Luke Power (and Craig Bolton)

As for the 'newer kids' that arrived post Matthews - Jon Brown (F/S), Ashley McGrath, Richard Hadley, Robert Copeland(Qld Consession) Jamie Charman, Jarrod Brennan, Daniel Merrit, Josh Drummond & Anthony Corrie all seem to have shown something worthwhile.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Ruda Wakening
I can see your point but i think if you took the players that Brisbane had injured/suspended out of any side it may tend to struggle. Some of those kids were thrown in at the deep end and did very well. Brisbane have won a game less than St Kilda & Richmond who've both got an abundance of kids due to early picks as opposed to being in the top 2 sides for the last 5 years.

True. But, in terms of development, we've had lower picks than St Kilda and Richmond as well and we are above them on the table.

Reliant on the same players? Probably, though i think many sides do similar. We could say that Craig Bolton, Paul Williams, Barry Hall, Leo Barry & Brett Kirk are relied upon and have been for quite some time.

That's true of most teams. Even with all the talk of the Saints kids, where would they be without Hudgton, Gehrig and so on.

In regards to us, we have Jude, O'Keefe & Tadhg who we've developed into very good players. BTW, I probably should have mention B2 as a player that Brisbane had a hand in developing into a very good player. Players like Ablett & Buchanan are proving very important as well but in all honesty they aren't "very good" and are no better than players like Hadley at the Lions.

As for the 'newer kids' that arrived post Matthews - Jon Brown (F/S), Ashley McGrath, Richard Hadley, Robert Copeland(Qld Consession) Jamie Charman, Jarrod Brennan, Daniel Merrit, Josh Drummond & Anthony Corrie all seem to have shown something worthwhile.

I agree, they all look good but are they better than the players who have joined us in that time - Ablett, Bevan, Buchanan, Dempster, Kennelly, Malceski, O'Keefe, Schneider, LRT, McVeigh, etc. I think that we compare quite well.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Sean
I agree, they all look good but are they better than the players who have joined us in that time - Ablett, Bevan, Buchanan, Dempster, Kennelly, Malceski, O'Keefe, Schneider, LRT, McVeigh, etc. I think that we compare quite well.

Ablett is finally coming along, but after that much time I thought he might have been further advanced.

Bevan has gone backwards.

Buchanan's development stopped and has only re-started.

Dempster hasn't really done much, but then he's only a first year AFL player.

Kennelly is going pretty well for a non-AFL person, but I don't think he's progressed enormously in the past couple of years, yet he seems to have the talent to do so.

Malceski looks good, but we'll see after a year.

O'Keefe appears to be the main success story (although I may not have thought that a number of weeks ago).

Schneider has gone backwards.

LRT - jury still out.

McVeigh really not progressing much.

[Sean]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Ablett is finally coming along, but after that much time I thought he might have been further advanced.

etc.

Your point was that we don't develop players as well as other teams. Do you not agree that the players above are as good as those developed by Brisbane over the same period?

[liz]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Ablett is finally coming along, but after that much time I thought he might have been further advanced.

etc

Further to Sean's points...

Most of the younger players in the Brisbane team at the moment have either debuted this year or only played a couple previously (eg Corrie).

You say that Bevan and Schneider have gone backwards since their debut, but its not an ununusual pattern for young players to struggle a little in their second or third years before settling into becoming good AFL players. And of course some never do, and go down as "one year wonders".

We don't yet know what fate awaits Bevan or Schneider, but nor do we know how Merrett, Sherman et al will shape up next year.

As for the Hadley vs Ablett comparison, were they not both drafted in the same year? Certainly they weren't more than one year apart. Hadley might have 'broken through' last year but he'd been on the Lions list for a few years before, gradually developing but obviously unable to break into the team on a regular basis. And we have no idea whether he'd have continued to improve at the rate he did last year because of his unfortunate injury this year. Maybe he and Ablett would now be pretty much on a par if they were both playing.

Obviously there are some players who come on much more quickly than others but it depends on senior opportunities, luck with injuries, physical and emotional maturity as much as anything else.

[barry]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Ablett is finally coming along, but after that much time I thought he might have been further advanced.

Bevan has gone backwards.

Buchanan's development stopped and has only re-started.

Dempster hasn't really done much, but then he's only a first year AFL player.

Kennelly is going pretty well for a non-AFL person, but I don't think he's progressed enormously in the past couple of years, yet he seems to have the talent to do so.

Malceski looks good, but we'll see after a year.

O'Keefe appears to be the main success story (although I may not have thought that a number of weeks ago).

Schneider has gone backwards.

LRT - jury still out.

McVeigh really not progressing much.

Thats a bit doom and gloom. Most of those players are regulars in a side thats sitting 4th, and won 8 of the last 10 or something.

[NMWBloods]

I'm not sure how close the correlation is between our 4th place and the improvement, or the anticipated improvement, of those players listed.

[swan_song]

LRT a cult figure!!!!!! I can live with that....Lewie (as in Dale), Luffy and LRT...I think you have to have a name starting with an L to be a true cult figure at the Swannies, and the hyphen fits the bill perfectly...I cant wait till he gets a stand nmed after him on the boundary line

[sharpie]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Ablett is finally coming along, but after that much time I thought he might have been further advanced.

Bevan has gone backwards.

Buchanan's development stopped and has only re-started.

Dempster hasn't really done much, but then he's only a first year AFL player.

Kennelly is going pretty well for a non-AFL person, but I don't think he's progressed enormously in the past couple of years, yet he seems to have the talent to do so.

Malceski looks good, but we'll see after a year.

O'Keefe appears to be the main success story (although I may not have thought that a number of weeks ago).

Schneider has gone backwards.

LRT - jury still out.

McVeigh really not progressing much.

This is the very reason I've started "Round # Positives" threads recently, because there is very often far too much unnecessary negativity on this forum.

The grass is not always greener on the other side.

[NMWBloods]

Fine - put positives in the positive thread, whether real or imagined. It has nothing to do with grass being greener - it has to do with my observations of certain players.

And which of my observations are particularly negative?

Sometimes the view of young players here is through rose-coloured glasses.

I recall a few people raved about Ablett's game in the final against Port in 2003...

[Beano]

Great game LRT

Apologies, i am only new, but who is LRT? I searched for articles re Tadhg and was directed here?

[Matt79]

Re: Great game LRT

Originally posted by Beano
Apologies, i am only new, but who is LRT? I searched for articles re Tadhg and was directed here?

The one and only Lewis Roberts-Thompson!

[Sean]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Sometimes the view of young players here is through rose-coloured glasses.

Quite ironic that you would say that in a LRT thread.

Seriously though, the opposite is far more often the case. There is one person on RWO who over-rates LRT and probably 10 or more who think he's a dud. In this discussion that has come about following your development comments, where are the "rose coloured glasses"?

The list of players above has 5 best 22 players and another 3 or so are in our team each week. Considering we are a top 4 side at the moment, I think that's a fair effort.

You didn't answer my Brisbane question earlier but perhaps a better question would be which teams are better at developing players than us? Personally I'd say Geelong & West Coast probably are - take out the reserves problems and I wouldn't have them too far in front.

Of the other teams, most are below us on the table with higher draft picks. An argument could be made for the Crows but I'll reserve judgement until we see how they go for the rest of the year.

It's worth noting that the group of players discussed previously contains only one first round draft pick. I'd suggest that the development results with that group would compare well with pretty much any other club.

Now, imagine how good they could be if the reserves played in a decent comp!

[ScottH]

Re: Great game LRT

Originally posted by Beano
Apologies, i am only new, but who is LRT? I searched for articles re Tadhg and was directed here?

Here you go Beano, this will help with players, although some nicknames are used here. Just ask if your stuck.

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