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  • andreww1
    Warming the Bench
    • May 2015
    • 193

    #91
    Originally posted by ShortHalfHead
    I always wonder why St George, with their Premier Division Status, field only two senior teams and a 19's. Surely they must get a bundle of players approaching them to join, but appears they only want the best. At the other end, we have Penno who are looking to put in an eighth team ! That's certainly growing football.
    St. George also did plan to field a second U19 team last season but the AFL knocked us back because of complaints by other clubs that believed they would have been impacted. The extra U19 team would have meant in 2 years time we had enough players to easily field another senior team. So it is not for lack of trying that we don't have any more teams.

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    • ShortHalfHead
      Senior Player
      • Dec 2008
      • 1024

      #92
      Originally posted by andreww1
      St. George also did plan to field a second U19 team last season but the AFL knocked us back because of complaints by other clubs that believed they would have been impacted. The extra U19 team would have meant in 2 years time we had enough players to easily field another senior team. So it is not for lack of trying that we don't have any more teams.
      It's interesting. Yet to see a club that can sustain two 18's/19's team. Seems to always turn out an abject failure. I believe North Shore are planning a second 19's this year and possibly Blacktown. With only 44 senior spots available each week, I'm sure that there are a few missing out every week. I would have thought that putting in a third senior team would be more beneficial that getting a second 19's team up, as most clubs would struggle to field a full side for their second 19's whilst having senior players missing out every week.

      And from our experience, you cannot expect a big percentage of 19's to filter to seniors

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      • andreww1
        Warming the Bench
        • May 2015
        • 193

        #93
        Originally posted by ShortHalfHead
        It's interesting. Yet to see a club that can sustain two 18's/19's team. Seems to always turn out an abject failure. I believe North Shore are planning a second 19's this year and possibly Blacktown. With only 44 senior spots available each week, I'm sure that there are a few missing out every week. I would have thought that putting in a third senior team would be more beneficial that getting a second 19's team up, as most clubs would struggle to field a full side for their second 19's whilst having senior players missing out every week.

        And from our experience, you cannot expect a big percentage of 19's to filter to seniors
        Which club have you had experience with?

        In our Prem Div Prelim final team last year we had 8 players that were still eligible for U19s, and 16 of the 22 were ex-local juniors, so we have a very good record of bringing through U19s in to senior football.

        Through the Academy that we have been running the last 3 years we have had very strong numbers of ex-U17s coming to the club. For 2016 I expect it will be around 26-30 new ex-local juniors players joining the club.

        If we did just what other clubs do you would probably be right but we work harder than most at developing and nurturing local juniors and we are confident it will continue to pay off for many years to come.

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        • cartman48
          Warming the Bench
          • Aug 2006
          • 129

          #94
          Originally posted by saviour01
          Im actually trying to get a 3rd senior side sorted because im too @@@@ to play div 1 and @@@@ going to play at sutho.
          Nothing wrong with Sutho mate - as someone who has played at both clubs the culture at Sutho is better than that at St George unless you happen to be in the click.
          Carn the Southern Power.....

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          • GallopingGoanna
            On the Rookie List
            • Jul 2014
            • 38

            #95
            Originally posted by Tom Wills
            Hi Everyone - what about some real news / discussion about 2016.
            My questions are
            * Will UTS be the big improver - No.

            * How many are Baulko and Penno losing - Stubbs off to West Adelaide

            * Will UNSW be a rabble again - Yes

            * Will Balmains, excellent coach appointment, transpose to a better onfield club- Will follow their development with interest

            * What will Magic be like in Div 1 - surely they cant win it again - Will be competitive and go ok, mid table.

            * Are Camden recruiting - Are they staying in current division? Have heard rumours of an elevation?

            * Will Woolondiilly follow Gosford and like it in the lower grades but fall over as they go up - Yes.

            * And what about the Penrith... so much potential, how will they go in Div 2. - Have really battled last two years. Meant to smash div 2 last year but fizzled. Only won six out of sixteen games last year after dropping from Div 1. Not sure if it's a lack of quality players, coaches or other factors ? I have a keen interest in the western suburbs clubs and I hope they have some plans in the pipeline to get back to a position of strength.

            Just a few questions...... what about some updates around the traps?
            2016 - Year of the Goanna

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            • Pekay
              Well retired, still sore
              • Sep 2004
              • 2134

              #96
              Originally posted by GallopingGoanna
              2016 - Year of the Goanna
              Unless there's a bushfire...

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              • saviour01
                Regular in the Side
                • Sep 2013
                • 932

                #97
                Didn't Penrith bring in some coach from WAFL or somewhere decent in the year they got flogged in div 1? I remember an article on the website about it. He still around?

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                • Pmcc2911
                  Regular in the Side
                  • May 2013
                  • 516

                  #98
                  Impressive junior recruiting, what club are you with?

                  (Referring to andreww1 's post)

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                  • ShortHalfHead
                    Senior Player
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 1024

                    #99
                    Originally posted by saviour01
                    Didn't Penrith bring in some coach from WAFL or somewhere decent in the year they got flogged in div 1? I remember an article on the website about it. He still around?
                    Was from SANFL actually. Won a flag with Port Adelaide. Brother was first captain of the Crows. Bloke was a lunatic, but unlike some clubs, paid him out.

                    Actually made the finals that year, 2012. Got rolled by UTS. Thought you would remember it well, as you seem to have a photographic memory of all you "floggings" of other clubs.

                    Interesting though that there was no comment on the actual topic being discussed around St George.

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                    • saviour01
                      Regular in the Side
                      • Sep 2013
                      • 932

                      Originally posted by Pmcc2911
                      Impressive junior recruiting, what club are you with?

                      (Referring to andreww1 's post)
                      St George.

                      Originally posted by ShortHalfHead
                      Was from SANFL actually. Won a flag with Port Adelaide. Brother was first captain of the Crows. Bloke was a lunatic, but unlike some clubs, paid him out.

                      Actually made the finals that year, 2012. Got rolled by UTS. Thought you would remember it well, as you seem to have a photographic memory of all you "floggings" of other clubs.

                      Interesting though that there was no comment on the actual topic being discussed around St George.
                      I assume that means he isn't around any more? Only last the one year?

                      We won div 2 that year so wouldn't have gotten to play against him.

                      Another thing on the difference between our div 2 side compared to our div 1. 2011 we lost by about 150 to Penrith out there in div 2. 2014 We won by 90 or so out there in div 1.

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                      • andreww1
                        Warming the Bench
                        • May 2015
                        • 193

                        Originally posted by Pmcc2911
                        Impressive junior recruiting, what club are you with?

                        (Referring to andreww1 's post)
                        St. George.

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                        • ShortHalfHead
                          Senior Player
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 1024

                          Originally posted by saviour01
                          St George.



                          Another thing on the difference between our div 2 side compared to our div 1. 2011 we lost by about 150 to Penrith out there in div 2. 2014 We won by 90 or so out there in div 1.
                          You weren't the finance guy around 2007, were you? Figures look a bit skewiff.

                          Sat July 5, 2014 (Olds park)
                          St George 8.9-57 defeated Penrith 6.7-43

                          Sat Aug 23 2014 (Greygums)
                          St George 13.8-86 def Penrith 4.5-29

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                          • saviour01
                            Regular in the Side
                            • Sep 2013
                            • 932

                            My bad. 57 not 90. Enjoy mid table div 2 for your senior side.

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                            • Mug Punter
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 3325

                              Originally posted by ShortHalfHead
                              It's interesting. Yet to see a club that can sustain two 18's/19's team. Seems to always turn out an abject failure. I believe North Shore are planning a second 19's this year and possibly Blacktown. With only 44 senior spots available each week, I'm sure that there are a few missing out every week. I would have thought that putting in a third senior team would be more beneficial that getting a second 19's team up, as most clubs would struggle to field a full side for their second 19's whilst having senior players missing out every week.

                              And from our experience, you cannot expect a big percentage of 19's to filter to seniors
                              Anything that keeps kids in the game after Under 17s and gets them playing U19s has to be a good thing. If North Shore can get two U19 teams then provided they create a healthy enjoyable environment then why wouldn't those young men want to play senior football as well, at the level that suits them. And there's huge financial and sponsorship benefits from having clubs with 6-8 teams.

                              Sydney Uni illustrate that the weight of numbers will always win through. If I was North Shore I'd be aiming for two Under Age teams and five senior teams asap. The cream will rise to the top. You only have to look at the quality of some of their juniors, Hebron, Baron-Hay, Veale and the Wright boys will all be absolute guns

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                              • Pmcc2911
                                Regular in the Side
                                • May 2013
                                • 516

                                Originally posted by Mug Punter
                                Anything that keeps kids in the game after Under 17s and gets them playing U19s has to be a good thing. If North Shore can get two U19 teams then provided they create a healthy enjoyable environment then why wouldn't those young men want to play senior football as well, at the level that suits them. And there's huge financial and sponsorship benefits from having clubs with 6-8 teams.

                                Sydney Uni illustrate that the weight of numbers will always win through. If I was North Shore I'd be aiming for two Under Age teams and five senior teams asap. The cream will rise to the top. You only have to look at the quality of some of their juniors, Hebron, Baron-Hay, Veale and the Wright boys will all be absolute guns
                                Absolutely agree that anything you can do to keep kids playing footy is a priority.
                                There would be each year at least 100 kids across Sydney juniors who finish U/17's and don't go on to play senior footy.
                                Whole host of reasons but amongst those reasons is the jump from 17's to 19's (particularly Div1) is big. So a pathway, wether it is an academy, a 2nd 19's (less serious) team or with some clubs a 19's team is crucial to keeping the young guys in the game.
                                Also the guys like to play with their mates (how often have you heard that) and when the guys look at playing Div 4 or 5 footy (as opposed to 19's) they cant see the mate factor.
                                If you can get a 19's program happening you are going to get 10+ 19-20 year olds coming into the higher grades each year, what club wouldn't want that.

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