St Kilda vs Fremantle - SPOILERS

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  • Gary
    Regular in the Side
    • Sep 2005
    • 608

    If they don't find a way to make it happen i.e. Freo win...this competition is a sad farce. Justice must prevail.

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    • Claret
      Support Staff
      • Sep 2005
      • 1104

      Let's just hope that the AFL doesn't award 6 points for the match (Freo=4 / Saints=2). From a 'neutral' perspective that would be the worst possible result.
      And the man who started it all, the Schneiderman . . . . .

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      • Gary
        Regular in the Side
        • Sep 2005
        • 608

        This has really got me going. If the absolute rule is that the umpire on the field must raise his hands to complete the game, presumably after hearing the siren...then why aren't they still playing?
        Bottom line, reason eventually prevailed, because someone decided (for some other reason than the siren sounding) that the game was over! I wonder what convinced him to stop it?
        Bottom line, the siren was lousy, time keeper failed, in his duty to keep it going, but the umpire also failed by not determining whether the Freo players were right in saying the siren had sounded before he bounced the ball. He should have simply made enquiry while he had the clock stopped (admittedly difficult when there is no time on the clock!).
        No team should lose 4 or evn 2 points because of such incompetence.
        I hope ROK has got it wrong.
        Any other ruling but FREO win will be a disgrace.

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        • ROK Lobster
          RWO Life Member
          • Aug 2004
          • 8658

          Yeah but...

          If they let it stand what happens in a PF, team 1 ahead by a point, seconds remaining, a ball up is forced at the top of the square but the ruckman has cramped up and is still trying to catch up. Players in team 1 claim to umpire that siren has sounded, please check. Clock stops for 30 seconds while umpire confers with timekeeper and ruckman recovers...
          Last edited by ROK Lobster; 1 May 2006, 07:32 PM.

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          • Gary
            Regular in the Side
            • Sep 2005
            • 608

            ROK...that is a contrivance unworthy of you.

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            • Claret
              Support Staff
              • Sep 2005
              • 1104

              Originally posted by ROK Lobster
              Yeah but...

              If they let it stand what happens in a PF, team 1 ahead by a point, seconds remaining, a ball up is forced at the top of the square but the ruckman has cramped up and is still trying to catch up. Players in team 1 claim to umpire that siren has sounded, please check. Clock stops for 30 seconds while umpire confers with timekeeper and ruckman recovers...
              Now THAT would be a Grand Final week! Potentially three teams preparing for a GF.
              And the man who started it all, the Schneiderman . . . . .

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              • wheels27
                On the Rookie List
                • Mar 2005
                • 397

                Did anyone else hear the quote from the guys in the Beaconsfield mine when the rescuers got to them?........


                ...... Even we heard the siren!!!
                I hear not what you say, for the thunder of who you are.

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                • graystar
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 543

                  Looking at the footage it is clear that the umpires realised they stuffed up. They had a discussion as they walked off. I think they were too gutless to change the decision then and there. To be honest, if they had maybe some feral saints supporters may have lynched them.

                  I expect the AFL to change the result, saying the game had concluded and they "play" after was not part of the game.
                  I will be a member again when I return.

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                  • goswannie14
                    Leadership Group
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 11166

                    An argument I heard the other night that hasn't been raised when the rules og the game are brought up is that, according to the rulews also a game consists of four 20 minute (plus time on) quarters. Any play opr score after that time has elapsed could therefore not be deemed to be part of the game, no matter whether the umpires heard the siren or not.

                    Don't know what anyone else thinks about this one, but it sounds as feasible as the other "rule" arguments.
                    Does God believe in Atheists?

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                    • The Big Cat
                      On the veteran's list
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 2352

                      ST Kilda's case - Laws say the game ends when the umpire hears the siren.

                      Freo's case - Laws say the timekeeper shall continue to blow the siren until the the umpires acknowledge they've heard it.
                      Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                      • Mike_B
                        Peyow Peyow
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 6267

                        Originally posted by The Big Cat
                        ST Kilda's case - Laws say the game ends when the umpire hears the siren.

                        Freo's case - Laws say the timekeeper shall continue to blow the siren until the the umpires acknowledge they've heard it.
                        Also for Freo as already mentioned - game to last 80 minutes.

                        I'm on the Chandwagon!!!

                        If you cannot compete for the premiership, it's better to be young and exciting than middle-aged and dowdy.

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                        • j s
                          Think positive!
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 3303

                          Of course the commission might go for a compromise - let the result stand but give Freo an extra 2 points.

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                          • graystar
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 543

                            Originally posted by j s
                            Of course the commission might go for a compromise - let the result stand but give Freo an extra 2 points.
                            What and Saints keep two?

                            Im sure all other 14 clubs will be up in arms over that! 6 point game!
                            I will be a member again when I return.

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                            • ROK Lobster
                              RWO Life Member
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 8658

                              Originally posted by graystar
                              What and Saints keep two?

                              Im sure all other 14 clubs will be up in arms over that! 6 point game!
                              Come the end of the season there are always 8 point games.

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                              • ScottH
                                It's Goodes to cheer!!
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 23665

                                Freo get the points.

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