Match thread. Round 12, Swans v Richmond.

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  • Dow
    Senior Player
    • Sep 2022
    • 1042

    #61
    Originally posted by dejavoodoo44

    While I only listened on radio and watched the highlights, it sounds like Kyle had a decent debut. Certainly his run through the middle to hit up Heeney looked like a quality player. It'll be interesting to see how they try to develop him for the rest of the season. My general impression on why the first round bid was matched, was that they knew how athletic he was and that they thought that they might be able to turn him into a big bodied midfielder, with the speed to escape from congestion. Early on in the VFL season, he was playing a bit of midfield, but they may have decided that it was a bit too much to soon and switched him back to running defender. So, will they keep him in defence or have another try at converting him to a mid? Personally, I think there's more upside to the midfield option. Plus there's a couple of current academy prospects, with similar sort of profiles, who could become very good rebounding defenders, if we somehow manage to draft them: Jake Medved and Mason McGroder.

    As far as I know, Medved is a recent convert, who was just running around playing touch footy, until playing for the academy this season. At 193cm, he's probably quicker than Kyle and I'd say that his disposal skills are more damaging to the opposition. I strongly suspect that he's a big fan of Blakey, because he loves to take off out of defence at high pace. Unfortunately, he may have already played himself out of our draft range, because we don't have a first round pick, and even if we traded in a pick or two, it's likely that we'll have to play the competency tax.

    McGroder at 195cm is a little bit taller and a bit more solidly built, which means he has spent a bit of time as a KPD and a bit of time as a relief ruck. He's probably even more athletic, winning the Australian u20 long jump as a 16 year old and also being a quality 400m runner. While he's been in the academy a few seasons, he's possibly still inexperienced, as he regularly misses games to compete in athletics championships. His positioning might need a bit of work and he's yet to have the sort of high possession game, that tends to attract the attention of recruiters. However, when he does get the ball, he reminds me a bit of a 12yo playing in the u10s. If he does decide to pursue an AFL career, rather than athletics, he could also rise up the draft boards.

    And I use the term, rise up the draft boards, quite loosely, because the only Swans player mentioned in the rankings that I've seen, is the injured McCartney. So perhaps the experts will continue to ignore our academy prospects? Which is possibly a bit too much to ask for. Perhaps a more likely scenario, is the hype coming for one of them and the other being a bit underrated. Like how the hype came for Campbell, while Gulden slipped through to pick 32.

    Anyway, Kyle to midfield, and hopefully we pick up at least one of Medved or McGroder, as the perfect rebounding partner to Blakey.
    Think long term the club would love him to move into the midfield

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    • stevoswan
      Veterans List
      • Sep 2014
      • 8676

      #62
      Originally posted by longmile

      Hope we can somehow make Ladhams and Grundy fit in the same team. I think Ladhams has some X factor and would allow Grundy to rest. But it’d mean we’d probably have to drop one of our key forwards
      Next week we play the Saints who have two good rucks. I think Ladhams and McLean should stay and Amartey should be 'managed'. Perfect time to see how the two ruckman approach works.....but I suppose that still means another player has to go with Grundy returning.
      I wouldn't be dropping McDonald, he's hitting his straps now and McLean deserves to stay after he delivered yet again. Selection will indeed be interesting this week.

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      • stevoswan
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        • Sep 2014
        • 8676

        #63
        Originally posted by imuninformedtwo
        ition.

        As for Kyle, can’t believe some of the early crap on here. He was playing as a defender and didn’t get beaten once, then as his confidence lifted, got some ball. And that one two off half back when he then took off through the middle and delivered to Heeney was footy porn. If that’s what he’s doing when he’s raw as it comes, look out.
        I agree....he looks a real prospect.

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        • stevoswan
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          • Sep 2014
          • 8676

          #64
          Originally posted by 111431
          Whilst yesterday was a good win, it was case of men playing boys. My concern is, early in the game they went goal for goal with us. I think we’re not defensively strong and will be found out in finals, or against good teams, yet again. How do we strengthen our defensive game so we can compete strongly when it matters?
          By having a full strength team.....so hopefully that happens. Among our current 'best 23' outs are Rampe, Mills and Roberts.
          Last edited by stevoswan; 31 May 2026, 05:56 PM.

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          • rb4x
            Regular in the Side
            • Dec 2007
            • 990

            #65
            Commentators on Fox said that Hanily and Cleary both had PB's for possessions

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            • Velour&Ruffles
              Regular in the Side
              • Jun 2006
              • 944

              #66
              This was the first time that Hanily looked like a player to me. I thought he was really good and showed he has a good footy brain. Ladhams was also very good, despite the deficiencies some have attributed to his brain. He is extremely athletic for a guy his size and has some shimmy. We definitely need to keep him.
              I see no problem with bringing back Grundy and exiting either Hanily (despite his good game) or Cleary (who was OK too) this week. We have plenty of running power anyway. And both Ladhams and Grundy are very mobile as opposed to the dinosaurs of decades past.
              My opinion is objective truth in its purest form

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              • imuninformedtwo
                Regular in the Side
                • Aug 2024
                • 870

                #67
                Originally posted by Dow

                Think long term the club would love him to move into the midfield
                Isaac joked in his post game interview he’ll he pushed out of the midfield for Kyle next year.

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                • UUaswan
                  Senior Player
                  • Sep 2024
                  • 1029

                  #68
                  Originally posted by stevoswan

                  Next week we play the Saints who have two good rucks. I think Ladhams and McLean should stay and Amartey should be 'managed'. Perfect time to see how the two ruckman approach works.....but I suppose that still means another player has to go with Grundy returning.
                  I wouldn't be dropping McDonald, he's hitting his straps now and McLean deserves to stay after he delivered yet again. Selection will indeed be interesting this week.
                  Without question, it has to be 3 tall fwds, Freo just destroyed Brissy and Harris Andrews with 3 talls.

                  I also think Amartey may be managed, got to leave Logan in, he is building to the player we all hoped he would be

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                  • Ludwig
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                    • Apr 2007
                    • 9369

                    #69
                    I hope we can find a spot for Kyle for at least a few more games this year. I'm hoping that he might become our Mrphey Reid next year if he can get enough AFL experience. I am also feeling less confident about Cleary's future with each game. He really needs to work on his disposal, because he's not going to get enough inside play to cover up this weakness. I'm also somewhat disappointed that Datoli hasn't progressed this year, although I am still hopeful that he will become a good AFL player in due course.

                    That only leaves Snell and Kyle as players to feel confident can make it at top level. So we need to push their development when opportunities present themselves.

                    I doubt the 5 KPF+Rucks experiment will last too much longer, although it might be worth seeing how it goes for the next 2 games, depending on who returns from injury. It might be hard keeping both Kyle and the 5 KPFRs in the same side. I think it is more likely that we drop Ladhams than McLean if Grundy returns this week. 6 KPFRs is very much over the top and simply unrealistic, even for experimentation. It it more likely that we will have to drop back to 4 after the bye with the return of Gulden and Papley, which will mean that one more midfield gun will have to play forward for large parts of the game, so hard to see fitting in all those key talls. The magic number is probably 4, so a couple will just have to enure in the VFL, despite their good form.

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                    • imuninformedtwo
                      Regular in the Side
                      • Aug 2024
                      • 870

                      #70
                      A perfect 10 for Isaac in the coaches votes.

                      Heens 10
                      Charlie 8
                      Chad 6
                      McCartin 4
                      Ladhams 1
                      Liazard 1


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                      • SwanSand
                        Regular in the Side
                        • Aug 2020
                        • 564

                        #71
                        Heeney is the most complete player in the comp right now. Marking, Goals, and Clearances - Unusual combination when it comes to midfielders. I hope he remains fit.
                        Warner needs to emulate him and stop the dinky stuff and go for his strengths.
                        I watched the 2012 Grand final in bits and pieces again, we lack the bulls that 2012 team had for the contested possessions and somehow, we need to go back to that where unless we stop the opposition marking the ball and then getting to the ground ball quickly enough, we would find ourselves similar to the 2022/24 team.
                        We have many more elite runners now but pressure handling, forward talls separation, marking on the boundary and ground ball gets will decide if we win it this year or not. I am glad to see Bice ready to attack the ball and the carrier more and would love to see Roberts do the same when he gets back. If we are full strength and firing we would be hard to beat. But as we all know we would miss a couple and then the next in line need to step up and many of them are not ready. Cleary, Hanily, Kyle, Dattoli, Corey Warner, Jevan Phillipou, Ned Bowman all need to do ton of work to be lurking around.

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                        • UUaswan
                          Senior Player
                          • Sep 2024
                          • 1029

                          #72
                          I think we have a midfield mix its just a matter of putting them in there. There was a clear change of coaching for Warner to stay in the middle as much as he did and the same with Rowy.

                          If Ladhams goes tandem with Grundy, there are 2 more midfield bulls for clearance, less is more with both of them.

                          Warner's best is breaking lines and bombing long, looks better when there are 3 talls who can't be outmarked

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                          • BRS328
                            Warming the Bench
                            • Feb 2018
                            • 485

                            #73
                            Originally posted by stevoswan

                            Next week we play the Saints who have two good rucks. I think Ladhams and McLean should stay and Amartey should be 'managed'. Perfect time to see how the two ruckman approach works.....but I suppose that still means another player has to go with Grundy returning.
                            I wouldn't be dropping McDonald, he's hitting his straps now and McLean deserves to stay after he delivered yet again. Selection will indeed be interesting this week.
                            Armartey has kicked 26 goals this season and we are not past the halfway mark. He is also a better tackler than McLean. Cox even mentioned this in his post match interview. There is no way they will be dropping him unless he is injured

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                            • UUaswan
                              Senior Player
                              • Sep 2024
                              • 1029

                              #74
                              Originally posted by BRS328

                              Armartey has kicked 26 goals this season and we are not past the halfway mark. He is also a better tackler than McLean. Cox even mentioned this in his post match interview. There is no way they will be dropping him unless he is injured
                              100% Amartey is the first option, im just wondering if they give him a fortnight off due to injury history

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                              • 111431
                                Regular in the Side
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 714

                                #75
                                Originally posted by UUaswan

                                100% Amartey is the first option, im just wondering if they give him a fortnight off due to injury history
                                But Big H clunks more than most and is a pretty good kick

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