Lack of form and fitness will keep Davis out of team, admits Roos

[Chow-Chicker]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
Name them, and tell us why.

And though I did not quote it, explain how the Davis situation is anything like the Akermanis one - other than the situation of egotistical coaches cutting off their talented noses to spite their ugly faces.

Why should I? Anyway, it's no secret that Kirk and Hall have issues with him. As for the others, well grab a tape and watch the replays of the games where certain players refused to pass the ball to him. Roos' fault? I should think not. Can't imagine a coach selecting a bloke he didn't want in the team, then telling other players not to pass it to him. I mean fairdinkum.

Aker overstepped the mark in the media - Matthews gets his skipper to go public about it. Aker eventually gets dropped. He eventually gets back in the side, then his dumb email gets media coverage. The strain begins to surface again. He compromised the club in the media again, and this time, the club tells him to piss off.

Davis carried on like a sook, spoke out of line in the media, and was consequently dropped - like Aker. Only difference was Roos was the one who made the stance unlike gutless Matthews. In both instances, the right decision was made on both Aker and Davis.

[EMJ]

I think Roos has said too much on Davis - unusual for him to say much about anything - and do feel he needs to re look at situation. I would be very unhappy if Davis wasnt with us in 2007 - very slack handling by club, coach etc.

He has talent and if he needs help - it should be within the club to assist him not bag him out.

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by Chow-Chicker
Why should I?

Because that would show that you are not just making it up.

[Guzzitza]

Sad to say I dont see Davis being with us next year. It will be a great loss as he is our most creative player. It does indeed seem that some players have issues with him; the no passing thing, barry and kirk quick to criticize him in the media - it all seems a little odd. I think Davis maybe is on the outer cos he rates himself, but why shouldnt he? He likes to celebrate after his goals, which seems to be against our current team ethos. Personally I like to see players be enthusiastic and excited about their football, whether it be for themselves or for the team.

I dont think anyone can honestly believe that the only reason nick isnt in the team is due to form and fitness. The evidence isnt there to justify it. Basically you have Ross and co saying that everyone has hugged and its fine and there are no grudges - but this clearly isnt the case.
Roos plays favourites (e.g Matthews), and he holds grudges (think Walls). This means, no more nick davis.

[Damien]

Originally posted by Chow-Chicker

Davis carried on like a sook, spoke out of line in the media, and was consequently dropped - like Aker. Only difference was Roos was the one who made the stance unlike gutless Matthews. In both instances, the right decision was made on both Aker and Davis.

No he was dropped before he spoke to the media and Roos has been all over the place in his responses since.

If there is a major problem then Roos has to say so and what it is, otherwise a lot of Swans supporters including myself are going to remain extremely annoyed at his continued absence from the senior lineup.

BTW Roos has made no stance, he said it had nothing to do with him, it was a 'team' thing, so how does that make him so much better than Matthews?

[Chow-Chicker]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
[B]In what way has he been "outstanding"?

By being firm, consistent and by not publically berating him and giving Davis every opportunity to reverse the damage he has caused.

[B] How do you equate Davis' behaviour with Akermanis'?

See previous post to ROK Lobster


[B] You know this how? Perhaps add some detail...

See previous post to ROK Lobster

[B] Is saying "what a load of rot" much worse than calling people "sooks"...

I don't generate threads or posts to continually criticise the coach over a disciplinary measure on one player. I cannot believe the amount of vitriol levelled at the reigning premiership coach, and one where he is giving this club another opportunity at winning another.

He's cleverly doing nothing but talking in his usual double-speak and on this occasion he is contradicting himself.

Professionally executing his coaching status. Couldn't you apply the same criticism of all premiership coaches? None worse than one K.Sheedy. Throw in Mark Williams, Matthews and Pagan and you will also find THEY DO THE SAME THING.

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by Chow-Chicker

What you talkin' about Willis?

[Chow-Chicker]

Originally posted by Damien
No he was dropped before he spoke to the media and Roos has been all over the place in his responses since.

If there is a major problem then Roos has to say so and what it is, otherwise a lot of Swans supporters including myself are going to remain extremely annoyed at his continued absence from the senior lineup.

BTW Roos has made no stance, he said it had nothing to do with him, it was a 'team' thing, so how does that make him so much better than Matthews?

Yes, quite right, he was dropped before making his unfortunate comments in the media. Those comments were the reason why he hasn't got back in. I believe the issue for Davis being dropped in the first place has a lot to do with those senior players who refuse to include him in the team. Their actions were evident by their ignoring him on the field. What is a senior coach to do in this circumstance? Does he grab the group and say "listen guys, lift your game or you're all out" or does he try to sort out the problem? Obviously he tries to sort out the problem, but if a group of senior guys just don't want him in the team, then you are forced to remove that player - hence Davis saying he was a scapegoat. There is an issue there, but it is deeper than Roos himself IMHO.

[TheHood]

My instincts are no barometer of fact, however here's my bit:

Nick is a guy who thrives on being a "stand-out" achiever in a team environment. Sadly for Nick, he doesn't have the work ethic to carry that far enough. He is a guy who likes to go as far as he can for as little output as possible. That's hard to do in our team.

The team has had enough of entertaining Nick rather than Nick conformning to team. They humour him when it suits them and shun him when it doesn't.

Like Aker, when it's going ok on the field, it can be tolerated, when it ain't, every one has to change attitudes and gears and basically make up lost ground.

I can actually see why a rogue missing a massage after 4 losses would wind any manager up. Probably the 5th time he's done something similar.

Good luck to Nick. He's a fan fav, we all want him back and that includes Magic.

[Chow-Chicker]

Originally posted by ROK Lobster
What you talkin' about Willis?

No worries Arnold! Without getting a signed stat dec, I believe several senior guys (including Kirk & Hall) have alienated Nick Davis and has caused an untenable situation within the team. I have nothing but speculation to go on, and the evidence of ignoring leads on the field.

[Doctor J.]

Originally posted by TheButcher

Sorry I lost respect in "our premiership" coach the moment i read that his ambition is to coach the lions. I know he loves them and has based our team structure around the lions.

Why doesnt he f off already.

Oh my god, never thought it possible, but RWO has plunged lower than ever.

This has to be the dumbest most ridiculous statement I have ever heard.

Just why are the words

"our premiership"

in inverted commas? Are you trying to say that in some way Roos wasn't the coach, or perhaps you would prefer think that in some way because Roos was the coach, the premiership is devalued.

You base your whole arguement around something you claim to have read, don't know when, don't know where, or written by who, and then have the audacity to say it still backs up your thought process even when its obvious that such a statement doesn't exist.

There is an article out there. I am sure of it. Oh well doesnt change my perception of Roos and a few boys atm. I still think they being even more childish than Davis ever was.

Oh and those who think Roos is not arrogant think again. I once asked him to sign my ball and he walked straight passed me and ignored me

Just where was Paul Roos heading to when he walked straight past you. Perhaps to a team meeting, maybe to address the players before the game. Maybe one of his kids needed his attention. I imagine in the scheme of things in Paul Roos life, you are unimportant. Sorry to tell you that.

And Mr. Sanecow, you ask how John Howard is still in the PM's chair. I present to you, exhibit A. Good old Butcher Boy.

[barry]

What I find interesting is that Kirk and Davis shared a room at the AIS before starting their footy careers.

As you can imagine, a young cocky Davis, his football career all mapped out for him, off to one of the most famous clubs, bedding down with a battler who feels he'll be lucky to get picked up was a powder keg of conflict waiting to explode.

Not hard to see that the seeds of this dispute were sown then.

Fast forward to now, and Kirk is in a more powerful position, and in frustration with his own limitations is exercising a bit of revenge.

[TheButcher]

Originally posted by barry
Fast forward to now, and Kirk is in a more powerful position, and in frustration with his own limitations is exercising a bit of revenge.

Thats what this all comes down too. Its kirk Vs Davis and all the puppets with not much skill have sided with Mr @@@@en 1% Kirk.

Shame that this whole issues has tarnished what should be our proudest year in being reigning premiers.

And Dr J i read one word of your vitrol and just skipped it thank you very much.

Enjoy the 2005 flag people. Thats the only one we are going to win for a loooooooooooong time as long as Kikrky and the gang are around with their selfish attitudes.

[Doctor J.]

Originally posted by TheButcher
And Dr J i read one word of your vitrol and just skipped it thank you very much.

Enjoy the 2005 flag people. Thats the only one we are going to win for a loooooooooooong time as long as Kikrky and the gang are around with their selfish attitudes.

HA HA You really make me laugh. Skipping it would have meant not commenting on it.

Reading one word. As if!! If true, I guess its better than reading imaginative words about our premiership coach wanting to coach Brisbane.

Caught out lying again.

Can do better. 0/10

[ugg]

Originally posted by TheButcher
And Dr J i read one word of your vitrol and just skipped it thank you very much.

Perhaps you should read it too. Except for the end where it got personal, it was a well reasoned response to your previous statements based on a non-existant article about Roos's secret ambition to coach the Lions.

Now we've got conspiracy theories about the hate Kirk has for Davis because they once roomed together at the AIS.