Official change (Davis still not selected)

[BeeEmmAre]

Originally posted by Matt79
Results speak for themselves and so does 3rd spot on the ladder. Yes, ND is a good player, yes when on song he is in on best 22, HOWEVER, I cannot see any reason to change the current lineup on form.

Winning form is good form no matter the opposition.

Exactly right Matt.
We all know Davo is in the best 22 when he's going - but there's a simple fact that when he was last in the team we were 8-6 and a large majority of people on this board were calling the season over and well and truly jumping off the bandwagon.
Since he has been out, we have a two point loss to West Coast and four straight wins.
He missed two games with a hamstring early in the year - we won both.

In short:
Swans without Davo - 6 wins 1 loss (from 32 points up at half time)
Swans with Davo - 6 wins, 6 losses

Read into that what you will

[swantastic]

Maybe next week

[BeeEmmAre]

Originally posted by Dr Diabolical
How many 'quality' teams have we played without Davis? Only West Coast and we lost because we couldn't kick any goals in the second half.

We beat Geelong (5), Brisbane (6), Richmond (16), Port Adelaide (17), Essendon (18), Melbourne (19).

Cats (home) and Lions (away) were going okay back then, Tigers (home) and Bombers (home) were coming off wins, Power was away and Demons were away and ranked above us.
All good wins to me.

[RogueSwan]

Originally posted by BeeEmmAre
- but there's a simple fact that when he was last in the team we were 8-6 and a large majority of people on this board were calling the season over and well and truly jumping off the bandwagon.

Whoa, you could get a job in the media with that kind of unsubstantiated sensationalism.

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by BeeEmmAre
In short:
Swans without Davo - 6 wins 1 loss (from 32 points up at half time)
Swans with Davo - 6 wins, 6 losses

Read into that what you will

I read the same into that that I read into this:

Swans with Simon Phillips - 3 wins 1 loss
Swans without Simon Phillips - 9 wins 6 losses

and this:

Swans without Paul Kelly - 4 Premierships
Swans with Paul Kelly - 0 Premierships

[Danzar]

Originally posted by Sanecow
I read the same into that that I read into this:

Swans with Simon Phillips - 3 wins 1 loss
Swans without Simon Phillips - 9 wins 6 losses

and this:

Swans without Paul Kelly - 4 Premierships
Swans with Paul Kelly - 0 Premierships

That's mathematically challenging as Mini-Me hasn't played that much.

Although if you use multiplication, a factor of four will get you to 12 wins and four losses with Simon Phillips.

Not bad at all.......or was that your point and I'm just being daft?

[Sanecow]

Originally posted by Danzar
That's mathematically challenging as Mini-Me hasn't played that much.

Although if you use multiplication, a factor of four will get you to 12 wins and four losses with Simon Phillips.

Not bad at all.......or was that your point and I'm just being daft?

That's exactly my point. Phillips is some kind of football god using the BeeEmmAre method.

[Eala ?ireann]

I'm not missing Davis at all. We're doing alright without him. If he comes back and makes a major contribution maybe I'll eat those words, but at the moment I see absolutely no reason to be all wound up over him not playing. We're playing really good footy.













He's got to be better than Ted Richards though, doesn't he!?!

[AussieAnge]

Originally posted by Old Royboy
I wonder how many of the hysterical bring back Nick mob have actually watched and assessed his form in the two?s. I watched him 2 weeks ago at the SCG. Yes he got plenty of touches. Yes, he looked a class above those around him. BUT ? I still gave him a 0/10 for effort once he had failed to win a contest. Chase opposition defenders, couldn?t be bothered. Despite the noises being made to the media it seems I?m not the only one who has noted this. Roos delivered our first premiership since 1933 and multiple idiots here think they know better than him. I?ve got news for you guys ? you don?t.

Bit of an overstatement there ORB. I don't think anyone is being hysterical about ND. Some have been more passionate than others and some have been humourous.
As I said to you on the day I could hardly blame ND for being disinterested, it looked as though the 2s had received the same "ignore Nick Davis on a lead" instruction. Also what was the point in him running himself ragged, risking an injury when the team had a handy lead? (can't remember the final score but none of the reserve games I've seen have been close games).
I don't think Roos should be treated as some sort of demi-god just because he brought us the holy grail after 72 years in the wilderness. I'm glad we won last year and that Roos helped steer us there but I don't think that means we can't question what he's doing.
As I've said previously my main beef is the manner in which Roos' has handled this situation. I don't expect to be told everything but would like to be treated as though we (the fans) have some intelligence. I certainly don't want to be treated like a mushroom. It does seem as though he has his favourites and there is possibly a personality clash between him and ND.
Some of the posters suggesting that ND is a sook and should go crying to his mummy, I wonder where they are getting that from. Other than the initial ("scapegoat") interview with the terrograph he hasn't said or done anything to suggest he is sooking. It didn't stop the coach and some of his blood-brothers from publicly bagging him though.

[Eala ?ireann]

Originally posted by AussieAnge
what was the point in him running himself ragged...?

I don't think Roos should be treated as some sort of demi-god...

The point of him putting in 100% would surely be to win his place in the seniors would it not?

I don't think many people consider Roos infalable, but understandably have quite a bit of faith in his judgement.

As for Davis being a sook - he has a bit of a history of it doesn't he?

As for Davis being lazy - he's totally admitted in the past that he dislikes training and finds it hard to motivate himself hasn't he?

I'm willing to give Roos the benefit of the doubt more readily than Davis without a pinch of worry.

Again, we're playing good footy without him and winning games, so if he's not even giving 100% in the 2s, there should not be a spot in the side for him....yet.

[Eala ?ireann]

I was replying to the previous poster who asked why should he give 100% in the 2s.

[AussieAnge]

Originally posted by Eala ?ireann
The point of him putting in 100% would surely be to win his place in the seniors would it not? I don't think many people consider Roos infalable, but understandably have quite a bit of faith in his judgement. As for Davis being a sook - he has a bit of a history of it doesn't he? As for Davis being lazy - he's totally admitted in the past that he dislikes training and finds it hard to motivate himself hasn't he? I'm willing to give Roos the benefit of the doubt more readily than Davis without a pinch of worry. Again, we're playing good footy without him and winning games, so if he's not even giving 100% in the 2s, there should not be a spot in the side for him....yet.

Sorry I don't know how to do the multiple quote thingy (and not wishing to put in 100% can't be bothered learning to do it just yet.
Point 1. you'd have thought so but it hasn't helped so far
point 2. some people do seem to be suggesting that we can't question Roos as he delivered the flag last year.
Point 3. Perhaps in the past but he's not sooking now so why mention it?
POint 4. I'm not convinced we are, we are winning but some of it isn't pretty. The game against Port wasn't what I'd describe as good footy.

[Eala ?ireann]

Fair enough. Have the Swans ever won a game pretty? Not in a while or they've been few and far between. I love seeing them win, but have to admit I hate the style of footy.

[AussieAnge]

Originally posted by Eala ?ireann
I was replying to the previous poster who asked why should he give 100% in the 2s.

Actually not many of the reserves were putting in 100% at the stage I made the comments to ORB as they were so far ahead it wasn't funny. Most of them had taken the foot off the pedal.

[ROK Lobster]

Originally posted by AussieAnge
Actually not many of the reserves were putting in 100% at the stage I made the comments to ORB as they were so far ahead it wasn't funny. Most of them had taken the foot off the pedal.

That's why we are unchanged, every week