Seriously.. Why Aren't we considering Gardiner above Everitt??

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  • reigning premier
    Suspended by the MRP
    • Sep 2006
    • 4335

    Seriously.. Why Aren't we considering Gardiner above Everitt??

    Look I'm all for a quality ruckman, (Noth that Jolly & Dolly aren't). But it seems to me that paying a bomb for, and potentially trading away a few draft picks for a guy, although good in his day, is on the verge of retirement.

    Why aren't we discussing Gardiner??? Surely if anyone can reform him, we can??
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    Spida.. No matter what the cost!
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    Spida.. But no more than what's been offered.
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    Gardiner.. Let's at least talk to him!
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    We're fine with Chambers thank you all the same.
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  • shayne
    Pushing for Selection
    • Jan 2003
    • 67

    #2
    I think we should have a look at Gardiner. He is a co-ordinated big man who can run which is what we want yes he has had a bad attitude over the last couple of years but I think getting him out of Perth would do wonders for him also with the way we are able to keep our guys on the track his injuries might not be a factor.
    Last edited by shayne; 12 October 2006, 10:22 AM.

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    • Sanecow
      Suspended by the MRP
      • Mar 2003
      • 6917

      #3
      I want them both for cheap and I want them to play like Ball in 2005.

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      • AnnieH
        RWOs Black Sheep
        • Aug 2006
        • 11332

        #4
        Gardiner has problems with pubs shutting at 10pm in Perth. Imagine if you let him loose at the Bourbon at 4.30am on any given night of the week in Sydney.

        He's not used to staying up and drinking that late. Sydney's too evil for him. Too many bad "lifestyle" choices to make.

        It'd be like finding a kid who has never tasted sugar, giving him a spoonful, and then sending him to Willy Wonka's for the arvo.

        IF he comes here, he knows (as well as probably every other player in the comp) that our "self-imposed player rules" are very, very strict. One step wrong and he'll be playing out his contract in the reserves. Very, very expensive gamble (and not just in monetary terms).

        To take a gamble like that ... mmmmmm ... very, very risky

        As for Everitt, as much as I love him to death, he's getting a bit old in the tooth for my liking.

        As a quick aside re Everitt, isn't he off contract at Hawthorn?

        If someone is off-contract, why would we be offering a bloody pick to a club that "doesn't own" him in the first place??

        Please help someone.
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        • desredandwhite
          Click!
          • Jan 2003
          • 2498

          #5
          Originally posted by Annie Haddad


          If someone is off-contract, why would we be offering a bloody pick to a club that "doesn't own" him in the first place??
          Because if you don't get him via a trade, he either re-signs, or has to go in the preseason draft.

          Of course, if you have an early PSD pick, don't deal, and get the player that way. If there are, for example, 14 other clubs ahead of you, then trading is a way of doing away with the gamble that they are still available when it is your turn.

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          • AnnieH
            RWOs Black Sheep
            • Aug 2006
            • 11332

            #6
            Originally posted by desredandwhite
            Because if you don't get him via a trade, he either re-signs, or has to go in the preseason draft.

            Of course, if you have an early PSD pick, don't deal, and get the player that way. If there are, for example, 14 other clubs ahead of you, then trading is a way of doing away with the gamble that they are still available when it is your turn.
            Fanks Des.
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            • sydneyswans1989
              bleeding red and white
              • Jun 2005
              • 384

              #7
              Originally posted by shayne
              I think we should have a look at Gardiner. He is a co-ordinated big man who can run which is what we want yes he has had a bad attitude over the last couple of years but I think getting him out of Perth would do wonders for him also with the way we are able to keep our guys on the track his injuries might not be a factor.
              Get Gardiner to Sydney!!

              End of story.
              Forget about Hall, it's all about Bradshaw

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              • swansrock4eva
                On the Rookie List
                • Jan 2003
                • 1352

                #8
                Originally posted by Annie Haddad

                It'd be like finding a kid who has never tasted sugar, giving him a spoonful, and then sending him to Willy Wonka's for the arvo.

                IF he comes here, he knows (as well as probably every other player in the comp) that our "self-imposed player rules" are very, very strict. One step wrong and he'll be playing out his contract in the reserves. Very, very expensive gamble (and not just in monetary terms).

                To take a gamble like that ... mmmmmm ... very, very risky

                What's to stop the club putting a non-performance clause of sorts in a contract? I.e. ANY indiscretions and he's out on his bum, immediate contract termination, no payout etc etc etc. Leaves the ball in his court - if he signs he knows what he's in for, and if he doesn't, well we know he doesn't want to be an AFL footballer. If he does sign and buggers up, all it means is that we terminate his contract immediately and elevate a rookie to the senior list.

                All hypothetical of course, but there are ways to minimise the risk if a player like Gardiner were being considered. Potential risk but ways to make a return somehow with minimal loss if it doesn't work out.

                With spida it may not be so easy to do that, therefore meaning a higher financial outlay intitially, and then ongoing for no guaranteed return. At least with Gardiner it's behviours in question rather than potential physical weakness/incapability due to injury.

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                • AnnieH
                  RWOs Black Sheep
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 11332

                  #9
                  Originally posted by swansrock4eva
                  What's to stop the club putting a non-performance clause of sorts in a contract? I.e. ANY indiscretions and he's out on his bum, immediate contract termination, no payout etc etc etc. Leaves the ball in his court - if he signs he knows what he's in for, and if he doesn't, well we know he doesn't want to be an AFL footballer. If he does sign and buggers up, all it means is that we terminate his contract immediately and elevate a rookie to the senior list.

                  All hypothetical of course, but there are ways to minimise the risk if a player like Gardiner were being considered. Potential risk but ways to make a return somehow with minimal loss if it doesn't work out.

                  With spida it may not be so easy to do that, therefore meaning a higher financial outlay intitially, and then ongoing for no guaranteed return. At least with Gardiner it's behviours in question rather than potential physical weakness/incapability due to injury.
                  As much as I'd love to see a contract like that, you'd be bloody stoopid to sign one!!
                  Great idea though.
                  You are right when you say at least it's only Gardiner's behaviour that is potentially harming to us ...
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                  • Carolyn
                    Randomness muchly
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 986

                    #10
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                    • i'm-uninformed2
                      Reefer Madness
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 4653

                      #11
                      I'm right behind the idea to get Gardiner to come to Sydney. He'd be a great party companion. My kinda guy. Can we get Ben Cuz too?
                      'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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                      • AnnieH
                        RWOs Black Sheep
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 11332

                        #12
                        Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
                        I'm right behind the idea to get Gardiner to come to Sydney. He'd be a great party companion. My kinda guy. Can we get Ben Cuz too?
                        Hey ... what about me??
                        First you profess your love, then you drop me for Gardiner and the Cuzz. How come I'm never allowed to party!!
                        Maaaaattttttteeeeeeeeeee
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                        • i'm-uninformed2
                          Reefer Madness
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 4653

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Annie Haddad
                          Hey ... what about me??
                          First you profess your love, then you drop me for Gardiner and the Cuzz. How come I'm never allowed to party!!
                          Maaaaattttttteeeeeeeeeee
                          You told me no partying during the season. That's when these dudes come in handy.
                          'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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                          • AnnieH
                            RWOs Black Sheep
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 11332

                            #14
                            Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
                            You told me no partying during the season. That's when these dudes come in handy.
                            Sheesh ... I said we can't do it during the season .... not drink and imbibe in copious amounts of things that are never to be mentioned here.!!

                            Edit: I believe I said NO SOCIAL COMMITTMENTS during the season ... e.g. births, deaths, marriages.

                            Gotta get your priorities straight bro!!
                            Last edited by AnnieH; 12 October 2006, 11:35 AM.
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                            • hammo
                              Veterans List
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 5554

                              #15
                              There are serious problems with even considering a player who was dropped to Claremont during the pre season and told by Worsfold that he wouldn't be back until his attitude improves and then gets behind the wheel drunk as a newt.

                              Plus he was @@@@house in the 2005 grand final.

                              If Gardiner ends up in Sydney (and there's no evidence we are even remotely interested) then I will consider tearing up my membership card.
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