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  • AnnieH
    RWOs Black Sheep
    • Aug 2006
    • 11332

    #31
    Originally posted by Marry me Goodes
    How is this a question of % when we already had 126% from that game?

    Which is the % play? Short kicks to unmarked players or long kicks to contests where we are outnumbered? We may have turned over a short possession, but I can guarantee we've had less turnovers playing short in our back half than kicking to contests.

    If we are winning by more than a goal and the other team chooses to flood - tough titties. Their problem, and good play by us.

    To boo, howl or carry on AGAINST the swans in that case is ludicrous. Take it out on the Saints for not creating a contest...
    no-one carried on AGAINST the swannies ... just encouraging them to move the ball FORWARD in the hopes that we can get another goal. Last time I checked, it was all about kicking the ball between the big giant two sticks at the end of the ground - doesn't matter how ahead you are (... it's noice to stick in the knife in a bit further sometimes).
    Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
    Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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    • hammo
      Veterans List
      • Jul 2003
      • 5554

      #32
      Originally posted by Annie Haddad
      Last time I checked, it was all about kicking the ball between the big giant two sticks at the end of the ground - doesn't matter how ahead you are (... it's noice to stick in the knife in a bit further sometimes).
      At the end of a game it is as much about who has possession of the ball as how many goals you are ahead.

      In a low scoring game I doubt the Swans would have kicked many more, but St Kilda's last hope would have been a quick counter attack kicking long to Reiwoldt one out.

      Also, keep in mind the fatigue of the players and it's understandable why they'd take the foot off.
      "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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      • reigning premier
        Suspended by the MRP
        • Sep 2006
        • 4335

        #33
        Originally posted by Annie Haddad
        Stupid reply.
        LOL......

        Gold.

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        • NMWBloods
          Taking Refuge!!
          • Jan 2003
          • 15819

          #34
          Gold must be trading at an all-time low...
          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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          • reigning premier
            Suspended by the MRP
            • Sep 2006
            • 4335

            #35
            Fractionally above the value of crap posts....

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            • Mr_Juicy
              Warming the Bench
              • Mar 2007
              • 397

              #36
              Originally posted by Annie Haddad
              Stupid reply.
              good reply

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              • Mr_Juicy
                Warming the Bench
                • Mar 2007
                • 397

                #37
                Originally posted by NMWBloods
                Gold must be trading at an all-time low...
                As a matter of fact, it isn't. I heard that from someone in the industry.

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                • monopoly19
                  Senior Player
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 1098

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Annie Haddad
                  no-one carried on AGAINST the swannies ... just encouraging them to move the ball FORWARD in the hopes that we can get another goal. Last time I checked, it was all about kicking the ball between the big giant two sticks at the end of the ground - doesn't matter how ahead you are (... it's noice to stick in the knife in a bit further sometimes).
                  You kick it between the 2 big sticks in order to win the game. We were 3 goals in front against a team that has two of the better big forwards in the game. We have (and have had for a little while now) the 2nd best percentage in the competition.

                  Seriously, the idea that we would bomb the ball into a forward line crowded with St Kilda players is ludicrous. Any quick turn over could have cost us big time. The possible gain of a few % points is NOT worth risking a win. To say otherwise makes you sound very silly.

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                  • Thunder Shaker
                    Aut vincere aut mori
                    • Apr 2004
                    • 4188

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Marry me Goodes
                    How is this a question of % when we already had 126% from that game?
                    Yes, our percentage went up as a result of this game.

                    As for the "flooding", maybe we should take a digital camera to the next game and take a photo every time the opposition forward line is empty (and a photo of our forward line showing all the "numbers behind the ball").

                    It might also be worth comparing this to Hurricane Katrina again, with all the black people "looting" stuff and the white people "finding" it. It makes the point really well I have found.
                    "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                    • JF_Bay22_SCG
                      expat Sydneysider
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 3978

                      #40
                      Originally posted by reigning premier
                      After watching last nights game, can we finally hand over the mantle as the "flooding" team of the comp????

                      I mean seriously, StKilda had the flood from hell going on and yet even listening to the commentary not once did they say "flood" in reference to StKilda.... Only us.... they were "pushing numbers back"

                      Seriously getting the @@@@s with this biased commentating...
                      Don't you know. Sydney are evil (premiership-winning) flooders whjo have destroyed football. But when teams like St Kilda & Adelaide do it it is commentated with words along the lines of "they are definitely getting behind the ball well, aren't they?"

                      There is a lot of jealousy thrown at any team who wins a flag. Because in place like Melbourne there are people whose clubs have never won anything who take jealousy to the point out sourness and at times outright hostility.

                      Had we not won the flag we'd not be copping the barbs. Still I'd rather be copping the barbs we got post-flag than the ones that are being cast at West Coast this season.

                      JF
                      "Never ever ever state that Sydney is gone.They are like cockroaches in the aftermath of a nuclear war"
                      (Forum poster 'Change', Big Footy 04Apr09)

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                      • ScottH
                        It's Goodes to cheer!!
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 23665

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Mr_Juicy
                        As a matter of fact, it isn't. I heard that from someone in the industry.
                        RWO Gold!
                        It's price is low due to the abundance of it.

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                        • Mr_Juicy
                          Warming the Bench
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 397

                          #42
                          Originally posted by ScottH
                          RWO Gold!
                          It's price is low due to the abundance of it.
                          That's what I was talking about! Damn it! I've wasted all that money

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                          • Industrial Fan
                            Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 3317

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Mr_Juicy
                            That's what I was talking about! Damn it! I've wasted all that money
                            Don't tell me you're paying a writer...?
                            He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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                            • graemed
                              Swans2win
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 410

                              #44
                              On Saturday night, it was obvious that Sydney was manning up while St Kilda wanted to go with a loose man in defence.

                              The result was that when Sydney were held up they were forced to kick sideways (i.e. fat side) and wait until gaps appeared. This will always be the case and the flaw is clearly that such a strategy only works while the passes are hitting targets without pressure because turnovers are death.

                              The opposite is when a player kicks down the line to a player who can play on immediately and break a line, and kick deep to a leading forward in one on one contest. e.g. Jude Bolton on the members side when his direct opponent (Fisher) slipped in final quarter.

                              My observation is that teams such as West Coast, Collingwood, especially at Telstra, Hawthorn and Geelong are more prepared to take the risk of playing on in 50-50 situations, thereby if successful, breaking the loose man in defence and the flooding tactic, by running through the lines. If tackles fall off or are broken they succeed, if they get caught they tend to have support to dish off to and start again.

                              Our strategy has been to to tackle well and run them down by the end of the game. We don't have the speed in the mid-field to run away from opponents and create but we do have the grunt to stick tackles and this is where we are playing to our strengths.

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                              • Industrial Fan
                                Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
                                • Aug 2006
                                • 3317

                                #45
                                Our forward line was really very crowed from the centre bounces too, which we would normally try to avoid, so from that I would deduce that they kept sending players back to create a free player, and we manned up, crowding our forward line.
                                He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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