Team for Lions game (unchanged team named)

[stellation]

If you compare Davis and MOL over 2005-2007 (and adjust for TOG), then the relevant stats per game are:
Davis: MOL

Disposals - 13.8 : 11.6

Marks - 4.8 : 5.0

Goals - 1.7 : 2.0

Accuracy - 65% : 66%

Tackles - 1.6 : 1.4

I'd love to be able to look at their respective averages for the number of times they were a forward 50 target, also where MOL's goals were kicked from versus where Davis' were kicked from.

[Legs Akimbo]

I'd love to be able to look at their respective averages for the number of times they were a forward 50 target, also where MOL's goals were kicked from versus where Davis' were kicked from.

I think an important and absent statistics is number of goal assists. Even when MOL was down on his kicking, he never stopped creating for others. I think Davis tends to take a ping wherever he is.

Don't dispute we collectively owe Davis big time, but aren't we moving away from a credits model?

[Plugger46]

Don't dispute we collectively owe Davis big time, but aren't we moving away from a credits model?

Yeah we are - but he's not a slow old hack past his use by date. His form didn't warrant being dropped. He was nowhere near our worst in round 1.

[NMWBloods]

I think an important and absent statistics is number of goal assists. Even when MOL was down on his kicking, he never stopped creating for others. I think Davis tends to take a ping wherever he is.

Last year assists per game were 0.7 for Davis and 0.9 for MOL. I50s were 2.3 for Davis and 1.7 for MOL. Clearances were 1.3 for Davis and 0.3 for MOL. (Thanks Scott).

MOL plays closer to goal. Davis tends to play out around the 50m arc or beyond. MOL will get more assists, while Davis will have more I50s and assists.

Remarkable that the accuracy is quite similar yet MOL probably has more shots closer to goal.

[royboy42]

I think the Swans leak inside info less than any other team.No doubt there is a little more to the Davo dropping than we know..granted he played a bit lazy in Rd 1..granted he took the shot in Q4 when other , maybe more acceptable options were on offer...BUT he did not play so badly that he cannot make the emergs 2 rounds later.
One thing does come out of course..don't ever get dropped for ANY reason cos if your team wins convincingly the next week, you're toast!

[NMWBloods]

The other interesting stats per game are Davis v. Hall for 2007 (adj for TOG).

Davis : Hall

Disposals - 13.6 : 11.9

Marks - 4.4 : 6.8

Goals - 2.1 : 2.2

Accuracy - 72% : 60%

Assists - 0.8 : 1.2

Clangers - 1.8 : 3.2

Tackles - 1.5 : 1.2

[dimelb]

The other interesting stats per game are Davis v. Hall for 2007 (adj for TOG).

Davis : Hall

Disposals - 13.6 : 11.9

Marks - 4.4 : 6.8

Goals - 2.1 : 2.2

Accuracy - 72% : 60%

Assists - 0.8 : 1.2

Clangers - 1.8 : 3.2

Tackles - 1.5 : 1.2

Makes it look like the wrong one's at full forward - although Baz plays CHF a lot of the time. It'd be an interesting experiment to park Davis in the goal square more often, as others here have said.

[stellation]

Makes it look like the wrong one's at full forward - although Baz plays CHF a lot of the time. It'd be an interesting experiment to park Davis in the goal square more often, as others here have said.

The performance in Round 2 was the best we had played since... Round 22 last year, with Davis playing primarily from FF.

[connolly]

If you compare Davis and MOL over 2005-2007 (and adjust for TOG), then the relevant stats per game are:
Davis: MOL

Disposals - 13.8 : 11.6

Marks - 4.8 : 5.0

Goals - 1.7 : 2.0

Accuracy - 65% : 66%

Tackles - 1.6 : 1.4


As an aside, Kennelly's stats ('04-'06) are:
Disposals 15.5
Tackles 1.8

And he's not a renowned defensive machine!

Much ado about nothing. You are attempting an inappropriate comparison. A big forward and a small forward have different roles. In pressure football which we play small forwards are expected to chase down and tackle the rebounding half backs. Davis simply doesn't do this effectively, consistently or conscientiously. Your statistical comparisons show how bad he is at it. Davis is a slowish, diffident small forward with a beautiful kick. And that doesn't cut it in modern football. He would be a good pick up for Port Melbourne in the VFL

[stellation]

Much ado about nothing. You are attempting an inappropriate comparison. A big forward and a small forward have different roles. In pressure football which we play small forwards are expected to chase down and tackle the rebounding half backs. Davis simply doesn't do this effectively, consistently or conscientiously. Your statistical comparisons show how bad he is at it. Davis is a slowish, diffident small forward with a beautiful kick. And that doesn't cut it in modern football. He would be a good pick up for Port Melbourne in the VFL

Michael doesn't play as a big forward, regardless of how the team is named.

That aside, I fail to see how it is an inappropriate comparison.

[Plugger46]

Much ado about nothing. You are attempting an inappropriate comparison. A big forward and a small forward have different roles. In pressure football which we play small forwards are expected to chase down and tackle the rebounding half backs. Davis simply doesn't do this effectively, consistently or conscientiously. Your statistical comparisons show how bad he is at it. Davis is a slowish, diffident small forward with a beautiful kick. And that doesn't cut it in modern football. He would be a good pick up for Port Melbourne in the VFL

But Bevan does cut it in modern football according to you? Turn it up.

[BSA5]

A big forward and a small forward have different roles.

Davis is 184 cm. O'Loughlin is 190 cm. Either Davis isn't short enough to be considered a small forward, or O'Loughlin isn't tall enough to be considered a tall forward, cos there's only 6 cm difference. I'm leaning towards the latter. O'Loughlin ISN'T, and DOESN'T PLAY, as a tall forward. O'Loughlin is a goal sneak small forward, just like Davis. It's just that O'Loughlin is a LITTLE bit taller than your typical small forward. Hell, he's the same height as Kennelly, does that make Kennelly a tall defender?

[Plugger46]

Davis is 184 cm. O'Loughlin is 190 cm. Either Davis isn't short enough to be considered a small forward, or O'Loughlin isn't tall enough to be considered a tall forward, cos there's only 6 cm difference. I'm leaning towards the latter. O'Loughlin ISN'T, and DOESN'T PLAY, as a tall forward. O'Loughlin is a goal sneak small forward, just like Davis. It's just that O'Loughlin is a LITTLE bit taller than your typical small forward. Hell, he's the same height as Kennelly, does that make Kennelly a tall defender?

I think he or she is just getting confused - because O'Loughlin is always named at FF.

Those stats tell us that Davis is the most underated player in our side.

[connolly]

Davis is 184 cm. O'Loughlin is 190 cm. Either Davis isn't short enough to be considered a small forward, or O'Loughlin isn't tall enough to be considered a tall forward, cos there's only 6 cm difference. I'm leaning towards the latter. O'Loughlin ISN'T, and DOESN'T PLAY, as a tall forward. O'Loughlin is a goal sneak small forward, just like Davis. It's just that O'Loughlin is a LITTLE bit taller than your typical small forward. Hell, he's the same height as Kennelly, does that make Kennelly a tall defender?

Magic plays as a key position forward, usually full forward and Davis is a flanker/pocket. Davis is the slowest small forward in the competition. If there is anyone slower give me a bell. Compare them - Ebert, Davey (both), Didak, Johnstone, Williams etc, etc. Either way you shake it up Kid Terrific doesn't shape up. He's either too slow to be a modern small forward or too small to be a key position forward. O'Loughlin on the other hand is quicker and taller. And poor Mick is older and had enough knee problems to have put down a racehorse.Refresh my memory when did Kid Terrific last take an overhead mark, much less an overhead contested pack mark? As I said would go well witth the Boroughs

[connolly]

I think he or she is just getting confused - because O'Loughlin is always named at FF.

Those stats tell us that Davis is the most underated player in our side.

The stats tell this bloke that he shouldn't be in the side. Too slow and restricted to playing basically one position. He doesn't fit in to the modern brand of footy without a major change in his pace, effort and adapability. Can a souffle rise twice? And he's getting to the veteren stage so Moore, Schmidt and Jack should be preferred.