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  • hammo
    Veterans List
    • Jul 2003
    • 5554

    #16
    Originally posted by CureTheSane
    Why?
    Hall's on field actions are hardly the act of leadership, he has lost respect amongst his peers, he has put himself above the team, he has let the team and the club down... no point going on really.
    "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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    • Zlatorog
      Senior Player
      • Jan 2006
      • 1748

      #17
      BTW, they should check the RWO for suggestions. There's already a thread about the Hall's punishment by the leadership group.

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      • Wardy
        The old Boiler!
        • Sep 2003
        • 6676

        #18
        Originally posted by Zlatorog
        BTW, they should check the RWO for suggestions. There's already a thread about the Hall's punishment by the leadership group.
        Well with all the hoo har - anyone would have thought that Baz had killed Staker. Yet Staker will probably be playing this weekend, so does the hysteria, after all is said and done, really fit the crime?
        I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure..................
        Chickens drink - but they don't pee!
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        • CureTheSane
          Carpe Noctem
          • Jan 2003
          • 5032

          #19
          Originally posted by hammo
          Hall's on field actions are hardly the act of leadership, he has lost respect amongst his peers, he has put himself above the team, he has let the team and the club down... no point going on really.
          Absolutely nothing to do with leadership - with his ability to lead his team mates.
          If anything it allows him to provide a more incisive explanation as top why being able to control your temper on the field is a good thing.

          According to that logic, a CEO of a company no longer qualifies to lead that company if he gets wasted at a bar in front of his workmates.
          The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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          • stellation
            scott names the planets
            • Sep 2003
            • 9721

            #20
            I'm not sure it is a good idea to send him to Canberra. If we think he'd be a target running around the AFL, imagine a big boofy country butcher getting an opportunity to make himself famous and have a story for the boys at the pub.
            I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
            We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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            • CureTheSane
              Carpe Noctem
              • Jan 2003
              • 5032

              #21
              Originally posted by goswannie14
              I agree wardy, the self righteous crap that came out of Leos mouth almost matched the crap that Kirk came out with against Davis.
              I don't know what the players get out of being able to reprimand their team mate.
              I think it's wrong.
              Imagine if in your workplace your bosses asked the employees to find an adequate punishment for a workmate (and friend) who was caught sleeping on the job.

              I'd be saying "you're the @@@@ing boss - that's YOUR job.
              I certainly wouldn't want to be chastising an equal, as the long term embarrassment etc would be detrimental to the relationship.

              I'd really love to hear the Swans come out and say ...

              "As a group we stick by one another, on the field, off the field, and when one of us makes mistakes.
              Barry Hall made a mistake - he was punished by the correct method, and we now offer our support to Barry and our opinions of him being a decent person have not been changed by this one incident.
              We look forward to his speedy return to the team"
              Last edited by NMWBloods; 17 April 2008, 09:31 AM. Reason: Evading swear filter
              The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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              • stellation
                scott names the planets
                • Sep 2003
                • 9721

                #22
                Originally posted by CureTheSane
                Absolutely nothing to do with leadership - with his ability to lead his team mates.
                If anything it allows him to provide a more incisive explanation as top why being able to control your temper on the field is a good thing.

                According to that logic, a CEO of a company no longer qualifies to lead that company if he gets wasted at a bar in front of his workmates.
                The Swans have said on numerous occassions that their "bloods" culture, which we are lead to believe the leadership group is a crucial part of, is based on trust and respect; Barry, in his role as co-captain, trotted this line out himself in the media during the Nick Davis magoos saga in 2006. Needing to earn back trust and having lost some respect around the club are things that have come out about Barry already from members of the leadership group.

                I don't think it really relates to the example of a CEO being drunk at a bar at all.
                I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                • Wardy
                  The old Boiler!
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 6676

                  #23
                  Originally posted by CureTheSane
                  I don't know what the players get out of being able to reprimand their team mate.
                  I think it's wrong.
                  Imagine if in your workplace your bosses asked the employees to find an adequate punishment for a workmate (and friend) who was caught sleeping on the job.

                  I'd be saying "you're the @@@@ing boss - that's YOUR job.
                  I certainly wouldn't want to be chastising an equal, as the long term embarrassment etc would be detrimental to the relationship.

                  I'd really love to hear the Swans come out and say ...

                  "As a group we stick by one another, on the field, off the field, and when one of us makes mistakes.
                  Barry Hall made a mistake - he was punished by the correct method, and we now offer our support to Barry and our opinions of him being a decent person have not been changed by this one incident.
                  We look forward to his speedy return to the team"

                  exactly - so much for the "one for all and all for one no matter what" blood brothers stuff - then this happens and all of a sudden its " oh jesus Baz has @@@@@@ up - oh well buddy you are on your own" Its all a bit hollow.
                  Last edited by NMWBloods; 17 April 2008, 09:31 AM. Reason: Edited quote for swear filter
                  I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure..................
                  Chickens drink - but they don't pee!
                  AGE IS ONLY IMPORTANT FOR TWO THINGS - WINE & CHEESE!

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                  • hammo
                    Veterans List
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 5554

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Wardy
                    exactly - so much for the "one for all and all for one no matter what" blood brothers stuff - then this happens and all of a sudden its " oh jesus Baz has @@@@@@ up - oh well buddy you are on your own" Its all a bit hollow.
                    That's not the issue. We know how powerful the leadership group is, having input on team selections, list management, punishment (e.g. Nick Davis). By that very nature, you need leaders who are responsible and have the respect of all their teammates, including the youngesters. Surely Hall's position in the leadership group for the time being is untenable.
                    "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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                    • NMWBloods
                      Taking Refuge!!
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 15819

                      #25
                      Originally posted by CureTheSane
                      I don't know what the players get out of being able to reprimand their team mate.
                      I think it's wrong.
                      Totally agree. The players should keep their mouths shut about team mates and leave it up to the coach (if he'll ever say anything).
                      Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                      "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                      • stellation
                        scott names the planets
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 9721

                        #26
                        Originally posted by NMWBloods
                        Totally agree. The players should keep their mouths shut about team mates and leave it up to the coach (if he'll ever say anything).
                        I agree as well, but I do think Barry has made his own bed with it.
                        I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                        We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                        • Wardy
                          The old Boiler!
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 6676

                          #27
                          Originally posted by NMWBloods
                          Totally agree. The players should keep their mouths shut about team mates and leave it up to the coach (if he'll ever say anything).
                          Indeed - Oh well Baz will now know how Nick Davis felt. I still dont agree with it though (and I didnt agree with what they were doing to Nick Davis back in 06 either!).
                          I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure..................
                          Chickens drink - but they don't pee!
                          AGE IS ONLY IMPORTANT FOR TWO THINGS - WINE & CHEESE!

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                          • Wardy
                            The old Boiler!
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 6676

                            #28
                            Originally posted by stellation
                            I agree as well, but I do think Barry has made his own bed with it.
                            But the way the media and the precious leadership group are going on - does Baz have to sacrifice his first born to be redeemed?
                            I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure..................
                            Chickens drink - but they don't pee!
                            AGE IS ONLY IMPORTANT FOR TWO THINGS - WINE & CHEESE!

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                            • stellation
                              scott names the planets
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 9721

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Wardy
                              But the way the media and the precious leadership group are going on - does Baz have to sacrifice his first born to be redeemed?
                              I think they are hanging him out to dry a bit and the media has been completely over the top. It was dumb, but the reaction has been dumber.

                              By making his own bed I don't mean by throwing the punch, I mean he has made his own bed by being a part of the leadership group that has held sway within the club and speaking out in a similar way about players in the past. I'm sure if we pull out some of Barry's quotes about Nick in 2006 they would be close to carbon copies of the quotes from the leadership group now.
                              I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                              We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                              • NMWBloods
                                Taking Refuge!!
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 15819

                                #30
                                It's like they're a bunch of ascetics in some red & white monastery!
                                Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                                "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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