Davis Heading For The Tip

[stellation]

Roos' choice of wording for anything Davis related is always particuarly interesting. Would he point that out for anyone else?

[Industrial Fan]

I think Johnson is a freak and Davis is nowhere near his level of talent. That's not to say Davis isn't a good to very good player on his day, but he doesn't pull things out of his backside the way Johnson does.

Part of the problem with discussions about Davis on this board is expectations. If we think he's going to play like Johnson we're going to be disappointed and mark him far more harshly than he deserves for even his reasonable games.

Boy was I scoffed at by the Davis crew when I suggested Davis was a poor mans Steve Johnson. Around the end of the 06 season too.

Perfectly valid to compare the two if you ask me.

[NMWBloods]

I'm curious - has Roos ever said anything favourable about Davis?

I'd also note again that Luke Darcy commented on Saturday quite specifically that the coaching staff should be reasonably pleased with the effort Davis had put in.

[Snake]

I'm curious - has Roos ever said anything favourable about Davis?

I'd also note again that Luke Darcy commented on Saturday quite specifically that the coaching staff should be reasonably pleased with the effort Davis had put in.

Yes, I remember the time when Roos said that if he ever had to pick anyone to kick a goal after the siren to win a footy game, he would hope its Nick Davis, but that was couple of years ago now.

[Plugger46]

"Probably when he didn't really deserve a game" - 13 goals in the reserves doesn't deserve a game, but constantly butchering the ball in the firsts for over a season is a guaranteed position! Roos constantly makes excuses for othe players underperforming and allows them continued chances over and over again, but Davis is jumped on straight away. It's quite simply a personality issue - any other explanation is ludicrous.

That post is inarguable. Spot on NMW.

[Plugger46]

Boy was I scoffed at by the Davis crew when I suggested Davis was a poor mans Steve Johnson. Around the end of the 06 season too.

Perfectly valid to compare the two if you ask me.

At the end of '06, I would have argued that Davis was ahead of Johnson.

[Cheer Squad]

Roos is usually friendly and informal when referring to the players, but for him to say publicly that Davis was brought back into the team "probably when he didn't really deserve a game" is a little bit more than unfriendly. To say that someone is undeserving - whether it's justified or not - is like saying they're unworthy. That's the sort of thing you say when you don't like someone. If a coach said that about me, I would feel unwanted, and question whether I had a future at the club.

[floppinab]

Roos is usually friendly and informal when referring to the players, but for him to say publicly that Davis was brought back into the team "probably when he didn't really deserve a game" is a little bit more than unfriendly. To say that someone is undeserving - whether it's justified or not - is like saying they're unworthy. That's the sort of thing you say when you don't like someone. If a coach said that about me, I would feel unwanted, and question whether I had a future at the club.

Roos has thrown plenty at Goodes in recent weeks, does that meen he has no future at the club too.

[floppinab]

"Probably when he didn't really deserve a game" - 13 goals in the reserves doesn't deserve a game, but constantly butchering the ball in the firsts for over a season is a guaranteed position! Roos constantly makes excuses for othe players underperforming and allows them continued chances over and over again, but Davis is jumped on straight away. It's quite simply a personality issue - any other explanation is ludicrous.

We've known for ages that the Swans a whole of other, pardon the execspeak, KPI's to evaluate player performance. I would suspect that goals kicked features pretty well down the list for a player playing in the seconds when it is clear the focus for Davis is on a number of other things. So no I don't think it is a personality issue, I suspect it's Davis not performing in the way the club the club has asked him to.

[NMWBloods]

It's possibly no coincidence that Davis has played only average and his games have been our two toughest games and our two losses thus far, when our midfield has been beaten and forward delivery has been atrocious. In those two lost games we have averaged 40 Inside 50s per game, against 56 I50s in the games we have won. A significant difference (and according to Pro Stats, Davis is ranked third for I50s in the team).

Compare his stats against other players in those two games.

Davis
12.0 D, Eff 71%, 3.0 CP, 0.5 CM, 2.0 I50, 0.5 Clr, 1.5 T, 1.0 G, 1.0 B, 78% TOG

MOL
9.5 D, Eff 74%, 3.0 CP, 0.5 CM, 1.5 I50, 0.5 Clr, 1.5 T, 0.0 G, 1.0 B, 86% TOG

Hall (1 game)
9.0 D, Eff 56%, 4.0 CP, 1.0 CM, 1.0 I50, 0.0 Clr, 1.0 T, 1.0 G, 2.0 B, 90% TOG

ROK
16.0 D, Eff 53%, 5.0 CP, 1.0 CM, 3.0 I50, 0.0 Clr, 2.5 T, 0.5 G, 2.0 B, 98% TOG

Ablett
11.5 D, Eff 61%, 3.0 CP, 0.5 CM, 1.5 I50, 1.5 Clr, 1.5 T, 0.5 G, 1.0 B, 64% TOG

J Bolton
13.5 D, Eff 78%, 5.5 CP, 0.0 CM, 0.5 I50, 3.5 Clr, 7.5 T, 1.0 G, 0.0 B, 83% TOG

Kirk
18.5 D, Eff 68%, 4.0 CP, 0.0 CM, 1.0 I50, 3.5 Clr, 5.5 T, 0.0 G, 0.0 B, 81% TOG

Goodes
10.5 D, Eff 66%, 4.5 CP, 0.5 CM, 1.5 I50, 3.0 Clr, 3.0 T, 0.5 G, 2.0 B, 93% TOG

Bevan
11.0 D, Eff 86%, 1.0 CP, 0.0 CM, 0.5 I50, 0.5 Clr, 2.0 T, 0.5 G, 0.0 B, 91% TOG


No one played well in either of those two games and Davis' stats do not look significantly worse than anyone else's, yet he is obviously the scapegoat again for the losses.


Stats per game:
D = Disposals
Eff = Disposal Effectiveness
CP = Contested Possessions
CM = Contested Marks
I50 = Inside 50s
Clr = Clearances
T = Tackles
G = Goals
B = Behinds
TOG = Time on Ground

[NMWBloods]

We've known for ages that the Swans a whole of other, pardon the execspeak, KPI's to evaluate player performance. I would suspect that goals kicked features pretty well down the list for a player playing in the seconds when it is clear the focus for Davis is on a number of other things. So no I don't think it is a personality issue, I suspect it's Davis not performing in the way the club the club has asked him to.

Only the Swans, one of the lowest scoring teams in years (or perhaps ever considering ladder positions), would not rank highly goals kicked by forwards.

[Industrial Fan]

Only the Swans, one of the lowest scoring teams in years (or perhaps ever considering ladder positions), would not rank highly goals kicked by forwards.

I think you miss the point.

He was asked to go back and work on his chasing, tackling, etc. The fact that he kicked 8 goals is not indicative of whether he achieved what he was asked.

If he sits behind play he might get a couple of goals if there is a turnover, but if he chases his man then the pressure can create a turnover and create a goal for the team.

[hammo]

If nothing else, Roos has proven he is a liar and a hypocrite.

17th April:

Speaking at the Swans' Thursday training session at the SCG, coach Paul Roos said the 27-year-old had done enough to earn his reprieve.

"He's (Davis) obviously keen to get back in, he had a bit of flu last week last week and probably wasn't able to do the things we wanted him to do," Roos said.

"But I think it was a good effort from him to play and to kick eight goals in the seconds."

Sportal > AFL > News

[hammo]

Only the Swans, one of the lowest scoring teams in years (or perhaps ever considering ladder positions), would not rank highly goals kicked by forwards.

Diving head-first into packs is obviously more valuable, hence Jude Bolton's continued selection.

[connolly]

It's possibly no coincidence that Davis has played only average and his games have been our two toughest games and our two losses thus far, when our midfield has been beaten and forward delivery has been atrocious. In those two lost games we have averaged 40 Inside 50s per game, against 56 I50s in the games we have won. A significant difference (and according to Pro Stats, Davis is ranked third for I50s in the team).

Compare his stats against other players in those two games.

Davis
12.0 D, Eff 71%, 3.0 CP, 0.5 CM, 2.0 I50, 0.5 Clr, 1.5 T, 1.0 G, 1.0 B, 78% TOG

MOL
9.5 D, Eff 74%, 3.0 CP, 0.5 CM, 1.5 I50, 0.5 Clr, 1.5 T, 0.0 G, 1.0 B, 86% TOG

Hall (1 game)
9.0 D, Eff 56%, 4.0 CP, 1.0 CM, 1.0 I50, 0.0 Clr, 1.0 T, 1.0 G, 2.0 B, 90% TOG

ROK
16.0 D, Eff 53%, 5.0 CP, 1.0 CM, 3.0 I50, 0.0 Clr, 2.5 T, 0.5 G, 2.0 B, 98% TOG

Ablett
11.5 D, Eff 61%, 3.0 CP, 0.5 CM, 1.5 I50, 1.5 Clr, 1.5 T, 0.5 G, 1.0 B, 64% TOG

J Bolton
13.5 D, Eff 78%, 5.5 CP, 0.0 CM, 0.5 I50, 3.5 Clr, 7.5 T, 1.0 G, 0.0 B, 83% TOG

Kirk
18.5 D, Eff 68%, 4.0 CP, 0.0 CM, 1.0 I50, 3.5 Clr, 5.5 T, 0.0 G, 0.0 B, 81% TOG

Goodes
10.5 D, Eff 66%, 4.5 CP, 0.5 CM, 1.5 I50, 3.0 Clr, 3.0 T, 0.5 G, 2.0 B, 93% TOG

Bevan
11.0 D, Eff 86%, 1.0 CP, 0.0 CM, 0.5 I50, 0.5 Clr, 2.0 T, 0.5 G, 0.0 B, 91% TOG


No one played well in either of those two games and Davis' stats do not look significantly worse than anyone else's, yet he is obviously the scapegoat again for the losses.


Stats per game:
D = Disposals
Eff = Disposal Effectiveness
CP = Contested Possessions
CM = Contested Marks
I50 = Inside 50s
Clr = Clearances
T = Tackles
G = Goals
B = Behinds
TOG = Time on Ground

You left out the heart monitor. As I said yesterday prepare yourself for some bad selection news. One look at the tapes would have told the story. You have seen him play his last game in the seniors in the red and white. Those who love the little cameos, the big bombed goal, the geriatric stoop to pick up the hard ball can see it all on display in Canberra. Next season hopefully he will be in the blue and red stripes. Thanks for the memories Nick.