Swans offer Kerr 5 years

[connolly]

So does the rapist take it himself?

I have read somewhere that it is also a sexual depressant. Hence many Ketamine users also take Viagra. So i guess the answer is no.

[connolly]

Recreational drug use rarely aids performance. With performance enhancing drugs, yes, it is a corruption of the very sport itself, and as such is in a different category (not worse, just different) than spousal abuse, which is a private issue. Recreational drugs are just that: recreational. They have no more of a bearing on the players' professional lives than spousal abuse. That isn't to say it has nil impact, but neither does spousal abuse. Private issues will always manifest themselves in some way on the field. The impact is just far less great and far less direct than performance enhancing drugs. The impact will also almost certainly be negative, in terms of on-field results.

And I know you're going to argue that recreational drugs ARE often performance enhancing. Can't be bothered having that argument. I'm pretty sure we've had it before anyway.

We have. What a professional athlete puts into their body is always going to affect performance in some way.

[ROK Lobster]

I have read somewhere that it is also a sexual depressant. Hence many Ketamine users also take Viagra. So i guess the answer is no.

There is something very homoerotic about your avatar.

[connolly]

There is something very homoerotic about your avatar.

A missionary position tackle?

[SimonH]

There is something very homoerotic about your avatar.

By sheer weight of shots on goal, eventually you were going to put one through, post-high, from 65 metres out after the final siren.

You've finally done it. Congratulations.

[Mattyt]

There is critical difference. Having a conversation with a suspected drug dealer talking about trying out Ketamine is part of the difference. Ketamine is not an innocuous "recreational" drug. Ketamine is a powerful drug commonly misused by weightlifters and bodybuilders. Ketamine is also a notorious "date rape drug. It is also commonly used by ecstacy users to help them sleep. It was first used as a "recreational"drug by US soldiers in the Vietnam war. Dosages at relatively low levels lead to energy rushes and euphoria. Ketamine is a stimulant at a low dose and therefore can improve sports performance. This is an insidious form of cheating. And therefore destroys the integrity of sport. And of course it has also been shown to cause permanent changes in the brain of rats.

Honestly, I understand you may have read up about on a thing such as ketamine, but let me tell you, there is NO way that Kerr ever gained an advantage from using Ketamine, NO WAY at all. People who have had a small dose of Ketamine have difficulty even standing up, so tell me how it would aid in football or training? In large doses of Ketamine the user will have difficulty communicating, and let me just say, as a date rape drug, Ketamine would probably be the most inefficient one to use. Doses required to actually put someone to sleep EXCEED 1 gram if ingested orally, so if a girl doesn't notice the sickly salty burn down her throat long enough for her to ingest 1 GRAM of the stuff, then well, I really think she may beyond help in the first place. It's not a date rape drug, that's just bull@@@@ media talk.

[connolly]

Honestly, I understand you may have read up about on a thing such as ketamine, but let me tell you, there is NO way that Kerr ever gained an advantage from using Ketamine, NO WAY at all. People who have had a small dose of Ketamine have difficulty even standing up, so tell me how it would aid in football or training? In large doses of Ketamine the user will have difficulty communicating, and let me just say, as a date rape drug, Ketamine would probably be the most inefficient one to use. Doses required to actually put someone to sleep EXCEED 1 gram if ingested orally, so if a girl doesn't notice the sickly salty burn down her throat long enough for her to ingest 1 GRAM of the stuff, then well, I really think she may beyond help in the first place. It's not a date rape drug, that's just bull@@@@ media talk.

Really so the decent nurse that i interviewed and is still traumatised by having Ketamine slipped into her drink either deserved what she endured or had just read the Daily Telegraph? And where do you get the idea victims are unconscious? And how do you explain the widespread documented use of Ketamine amongst bodybuilders and weightlifters in the US? The only bull@@@@ about this whole issue is ravers who stagger into discussions about drugs and sport and rave on

[Mattyt]

Hahaha ok, I'm a raver who staggered into the discussion, that's a mature position to take. I've actually been reading it for quite some time but haven't bothered to comment until now. I've heard of bodybuilders using GHB to aid in higher production of GABA during sleep, but not ketamine, and I'm still struggling to understand exactly why bodybuilders would use ketamine, as it can actually cause degeneration of the muscles. And I'll take your word regarding the "decent nurse", but I'll stick to my own beliefs regarding the issue.

All you do is rattle on about how Kerr will come and poison the club with his off field behaviour, well let me tell you that in June last year Adam Schneider and Adam Goodes were in a club that I often work at at 4 30 am on a Monday morning the same weekend as the loss to Collingwood. I'm not accusing them of taking anything, but the way I look at it is they may be athletes, but who cares what they get up to in the spare time? As long as they go out there and win a game of football that is the important thing, and that is something that Kerr would definitely go a long way towards helping the swans achieve.

[Sasha]

Hahaha ok, I'm a raver who staggered into the discussion, that's a mature position to take. I've actually been reading it for quite some time but haven't bothered to comment until now. I've heard of bodybuilders using GHB to aid in higher production of GABA during sleep, but not ketamine, and I'm still struggling to understand exactly why bodybuilders would use ketamine, as it can actually cause degeneration of the muscles. And I'll take your word regarding the "decent nurse", but I'll stick to my own beliefs regarding the issue.

All you do is rattle on about how Kirk will come and poison the club with his off field behaviour, well let me tell you that in June last year Adam Schneider and Adam Goodes were in a club that I often work at at 4 30 am on a Monday morning the same weekend as the loss to Collingwood. I'm not accusing them of taking anything, but the way I look at it is they may be athletes, but who cares what they get up to in the spare time? As long as they go out there and win a game of football that is the important thing, and that is something that Kerr would definitely go a long way towards helping the swans achieve.

Everyone that doesn't want Kerr as a swan because of moral reasons need their heads read!! Plugger would head hunt swans supporters (at the time there wasn't many of us) when running into an open goal. He fractured or should i say took a chin off his face of one of the swans battlers in Cavan. This is on the field antics?!?!? Hall had many problems of his own. And i suppose everyone here has never done anything wrong, they should be sent straight to heaven. Dont throw stones at glass houses. Kerr is an unbelievable player, one in which will help the swans massively. Swans should throw everything for Kerr. Who else can save the midfield? no disrespect, jack and bird are about 12% of what Kerr is!! J bolton would learn a thing or two being in the same side as kerr. The no dickhead policy will kick in, like many others that have come to the swans and there will be no issues with kerr.

[caj23]

I still have trouble trying to reconcile Connolly's stand that someone who bashes and stalks his ex girlfriend is OK, while somebody else who uses recreational drugs isn't

And the undertones in Connolly's threads regarding date rape are mischevious at best as there has never been any allegations regarding this. In fact the tapes from 4 corners recorded Kerr saying something along the lines of "I couldn't even remember my own name" which would insinuate that the drugs were used by Kerr for recreational purposes

[BSA5]

We have. What a professional athlete puts into their body is always going to affect performance in some way.

As will any emotional issues brought about by violence in a relationship. Footy is 90% psychological, after all.

[Donners]

I have to agree there. If a person has such a lack of control and character that they would physically attack a woman in a domestic relationship, there is an inherent flaw in them that could be exploited on the football field.

[reigning premier]

I still have trouble trying to reconcile Connolly's stand that someone who bashes and stalks his ex girlfriend is OK, while somebody else who uses recreational drugs isn't

And the undertones in Connolly's threads regarding date rape are mischevious at best as there has never been any allegations regarding this. In fact the tapes from 4 corners recorded Kerr saying something along the lines of "I couldn't even remember my own name" which would insinuate that the drugs were used by Kerr for recreational purposes

Don't have a battle of wits with an unarmed man..... It's pointless for all.

Trying to extract some sort of logic out of the argument proferred will only confound the rational even further. Let it go.

[Bas]

Salvation Swans.

Kerr as a footballer is outstanding. Look at 2005. He came back more times in than GF than what's his name in Friday the 13th movies.

We would stay in the top 8. I'd threaten him with a boxing session with BBBH to keep him in line.

Trade O'Keefe for Kerr he would have a significant impact on our team.

[connolly]

Don't have a battle of wits with an unarmed man..... It's pointless for all.

Trying to extract some sort of logic out of the argument proferred will only confound the rational even further. Let it go.

I'll take that as a concession. After confusing hypocracy with inconsistency we now have arguement by analogy. Rationality begins with a basic grasp of concepts. Not a grasp of yourself.