Swans offer Kerr 5 years

[satchmopugdog]

Get him. Then when he has a bad game I will be able to use the line "Paul's Kerr".

Kerr and Canberra...I'm sure there is a link there somewhere.

[Dogzbody]

the biggest thing that concerns me about that article is not the Kerr talk...more so the fact that Roos isn't sure about O'Keefe staying

[Bear]

Kerr is an absolute gun, but i can't see how we could get him without robbing Peter to pay Paul (Roos).

[ROK Lobster]

the biggest thing that concerns me about that article is not the Kerr talk...more so the fact that Roos isn't sure about O'Keefe staying

Roos not knowing/seeing/hearing/caring is Roos speak for I don't want to talk about it.

[Bas]

Who do we lose? Pick 11 and O"Keefe.

Normally that would be OK lose quality to get quality BUT it's Kerr we're talking about. He would make an enormous on field difference but off field baggage is not good.

[CureTheSane]

What do recreational drugs have to do with sports integrity any more so than domestic violence?

There was no need to go on with this conversation.

You've already won this battle, presenting a definitive and conclusive example of an absolute contradiction.

Well done

[connolly]

That's hypocrisy of the highest order. I usually let it go when you crap on about Bevan but in this case, pull your head in.

You can't advocate one of these guys being OK and entitled to an opportunity with the Swans, and then say the other is not. There is no difference between the two as far as I can see. The only difference is that Kerr is a better, proven player.

FWIW, I say go get Kerr!

i'm really honoured that you have stirred to comment on my modest contribution. i can (can't -is this a rule???) make a distinction between off field violence and drug use and their relative affects on sport. The difference is not that Kerr is a better player but that drugs and sport, whether so-called recreational or performance enhancing destroy the integrity of the game. That's why there is an organization called WADA. It is such a boring old piece of rag to accuse someone of hypocracy in argument. The old ad hominem argument, doesn't prove anything. To accuse someone of hypocracy in an argument is really pretty hopeless. I think you mean inconsistent?

[BSA5]

i'm really honoured that you have stirred to comment on my modest contribution. i can (can't -is this a rule???) make a distinction between off field violence and drug use and their relative affects on sport. The difference is not that Kerr is a better player but that drugs and sport, whether so-called recreational or performance enhancing destroy the integrity of the game. That's why there is an organization called WADA. It is such a boring old piece of rag to accuse someone of hypocracy in argument. The old ad hominem argument, doesn't prove anything. To accuse someone of hypocracy in an argument is really pretty hopeless. I think you mean inconsistent?

Why? You've given no reason for that opinion.

[Bas]

If we're going for Kerr, we might as well make a place for Cousens. Don't want either of them to get lonely. After all I'm sure they have contacts in Sydney.

We don't have to give anybody up for Benny boy.

[ROK Lobster]

Kerr and Canberra...I'm sure there is a link there somewhere.

Given the power of the leadership group I guess he really will be "Kirk's Kerr".

[laughingnome]

If we're going for Kerr, we might as well make a place for Cousens. Don't want either of them to get lonely. After all I'm sure they have contacts in Sydney.

We don't have to give anybody up for Benny boy.

Not sure if this is tongue in cheek or not, but it does pose the question - Why pay dearly for Kerr when we could grab Cousins for a song?

[connolly]

What do recreational drugs have to do with sports integrity any more so than domestic violence?

There is critical difference. Having a conversation with a suspected drug dealer talking about trying out Ketamine is part of the difference. Ketamine is not an innocuous "recreational" drug. Ketamine is a powerful drug commonly misused by weightlifters and bodybuilders. Ketamine is also a notorious "date rape drug. It is also commonly used by ecstacy users to help them sleep. It was first used as a "recreational"drug by US soldiers in the Vietnam war. Dosages at relatively low levels lead to energy rushes and euphoria. Ketamine is a stimulant at a low dose and therefore can improve sports performance. This is an insidious form of cheating. And therefore destroys the integrity of sport. And of course it has also been shown to cause permanent changes in the brain of rats.

[connolly]

Why? You've given no reason for that opinion.

It is so obvious it hardly needs repeating. Drug use (whether so-called "recreational" or performance enhancing) is a serious type of cheating in sport. Thats why athletes are subjected to drug testing but not asked "when did you stop beating your wife".

[ROK Lobster]

Ketamine is also a notorious "date rape drugs." [...] Dosages at relatively low levels lead to energy rushes and euphoria. Ketamine is a stimulant at a low dose and therefore can improve sports performance.

So does the rapist take it himself?

[BSA5]

It is so obvious it hardly needs repeating. Drug use (whether so-called "recreational" or performance enhancing) is a serious type of cheating in sport. Thats why athletes are subjected to drug testing but not asked "when did you stop beating your wife".

Recreational drug use rarely aids performance. With performance enhancing drugs, yes, it is a corruption of the very sport itself, and as such is in a different category (not worse, just different) than spousal abuse, which is a private issue. Recreational drugs are just that: recreational. They have no more of a bearing on the players' professional lives than spousal abuse. That isn't to say it has nil impact, but neither does spousal abuse. Private issues will always manifest themselves in some way on the field. The impact is just far less great and far less direct than performance enhancing drugs. The impact will also almost certainly be negative, in terms of on-field results.

And I know you're going to argue that recreational drugs ARE often performance enhancing. Can't be bothered having that argument. I'm pretty sure we've had it before anyway.