Brisbane Game Day Thread

[2005]

Someone - I think it was Smith the boundary rider - commented at the start of the game that he was going to keep any eye on O'Keefe. Later in the game, Healy asked him what he'd noticed from O'Keefe and Smith responded that there didn't seem to be anything wrong with his work-rate. He just wasn't getting the ball.

In the second half he seemed to move into an on-ball role. He was frequently at the bottom of packs and putting in in defence too.

I think some on here have made up their mind about him based on the off-season and are finding "evidence" to support that, regardless of whether it is there or not. He hasn't had a great start to the season but to suggest he is disinterested is doing him a disservice.

Why is it doing him a disservice Liz ???

It simply looks after 3 games and preseason stuff, it has affected his footy atm.
So some are simply stating the fact he looks like that.

[liz]

He's playing like a man who would rather be at another club.

Why is it doing him a disservice Liz ???

It simply looks after 3 games and preseason stuff, it has affected his footy atm.
So some are simply stating the fact he looks like that.

Management 101 - assess behaviour. Don't try to second guess motivation.

I wasn't at the game but so the best evidence I have as to his behaviour is

a) Smith's comment that he was working hard
b) stats of 19 disposals, 6 clearances and 7 tackles - right up there with any other Swan.

Whenever he was captured on screen, he looked as intense and interested and downright annoyed that the team couldn't get their game going as anyone else out there.

It is beyond me how any one can conclude from that that he doesn't want to be at the club, or is playing "dis-interested". Are you basing your assessment instead on some other evidence?

[stellation]

I do think it's reasonable to think that based on 3 games he may look like he is disinterested, but I also think that the argument can be made that based on his entire career with the club (the young Rhino that turned up at the club was a very, very different player to the top flight ROK that he is now) he has got to where he is through being a devoted, out and out professional.

The argument that he isn't giving 100% because he didn't get to go to Melbourne/doesn't want to be here suggests to some degree that he is fickle and unprofessional- we have a career saying he isn't and at best 3 games saying he is.

[liz]

I do think it's reasonable to think that based on 3 games he may look like he is disinterested, but I also think that the argument can be made that based on his entire career with the club (the young Rhino that turned up at the club was a very, very different player to the top flight ROK that he is now) he has got to where he is through being a devoted, out and out professional.

The argument that he isn't giving 100% because he didn't get to go to Melbourne/doesn't want to be here suggests to some degree that he is fickle and unprofessional- we have a career saying he isn't and at best 3 games saying he is.

Except that even those 3 games would only suggest he was disinterested if one decided that first and then looked for evidence to support it. He hasn't had the tangible impact on games we have come to expect but in games 1 and 3 his possession rate has been up there with his career average, he's been forced to play a slightly different role - closer to goal until yesterday's slugfest, and he cops a very hard tag pretty much every week.

We also have evidence that his team mates don't think he is fickle and unprofessional - or at least, that they didn't see any evidence of that over pre-season given that they elected him back into the leadership group.

[DST]

Dis-interested he aint.

Still working bloody hard, but just hasn't been able to add the polish to finish all his hard work.

That will come though.

DST

[2005]

Management 101 - assess behaviour. Don't try to second guess motivation.

I wasn't at the game but so the best evidence I have as to his behaviour is

a) Smith's comment that he was working hard
b) stats of 19 disposals, 6 clearances and 7 tackles - right up there with any other Swan.

Whenever he was captured on screen, he looked as intense and interested and downright annoyed that the team couldn't get their game going as anyone else out there.

It is beyond me how any one can conclude from that that he doesn't want to be at the club, or is playing "dis-interested". Are you basing your assessment instead on some other evidence?

Like I said Liz : its people opinions.

Just because you think differently doesnt mean you are right.

I personally think what happened last year has affected his footy to this point as he he really hasnt had any impact what so ever in the 3 games.

So right at the moment ,Im basing my assessment on what I see and feel.

[goswannie14]

Management 101 - assess behaviour. Don't try to second guess motivation.

That all sounds good Liz, the problem with your theroy is that we are spectators, not management.

[BigD]

@@@@ performance all round as far as I'm concerned.

Typical Swans - Unable to perform at their best with any consistency.

They just don't seem to be able to adapt to wet weather football.

After last weeks performances I was very disapointed with Jolly & LRT.

All in all a very frustrating night.

Bad weekend all round for me. @@@@ efforts from both my footy teams (Swans in the AFL & Parramatta Eels in the NRL.(I must be a glutton for punishment or something. )).

[liz]

Like I said Liz : its people opinions.

This isn't about opinions. It is about there being no tangible evidence based on the games played that his failure to have much impact is due to him being disinterested.

And it is not just my opinion that says one cannot (fairly) judge motivation based on observed behaviour. There is a wealth of literature supporting this, and I can't recall having read any that disputes it.

It is quite possible he is disinterested and really doesn't want to be there. But unless you have something to base that on other than watching 3 games of footy, it is purely hypothesis.

If he hadn't asked to be traded over the off-season, would your assessment of the "evidence" be different?

[liz]

That all sounds good Liz, the problem with your theroy is that we are spectators, not management.

Is that not more reason why we shouldn't try and second guess motivations - since we have absolutely nothing to base it on?

[Legs Akimbo]

Management 101 - assess behaviour. Don't try to second guess motivation.

Your'e kidding right?

Management theory is fundamentally about motivation.

Heard of McGregor's theory x / theory y? It's a classic!

[goswannie14]

Is that not more reason why we shouldn't try and second guess motivations - since we have absolutely nothing to base it on?

You are trying to be rational about spectating a sport when you support one team that is playing. There is nothing rational about being a sporting supporter/spectator. So people are entitled to their opinions, whether you think they are baseless or not.

[goswannie14]

This isn't about opinions.

You're wrong Liz, this is only about opinions. Every thread on this forum is about opinions. Everything that people talk about everyday is opinions. Some have facts to back them up, others don't, but they are still opinions.

[dimelb]

Would you all stop saying "disinterested" when you mean "uninterested"?
Thank you.
And while I'm at it, "would of" when you mean "would've".
Resident Vocabulary Nazi.

[DST]

You're wrong Liz, this is only about opinions. Every thread on this forum is about opinions. Everything that people talk about everyday is opinions. Some have facts to back them up, others don't, but they are still opinions.

Very true, but it's hard to keep holding an opinion when the statistics don't support such a position.

Every player has patches were they find it diffucult to match their usual output. Look no further than Boomer Harvey at North at present.

However, statistically ROK is still getting as much of the ball as he normally does and looks to be working just as hard. The cream will come.

DST