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  • DeadlyAkkuret
    Veterans List
    • Oct 2006
    • 4547

    Facing some home truths

    Well, we were presented with a perfect chance to cement ourselves inside the 8 against an absolute injury-ridden rabble, and we only manage to embarrass ourselves.

    Hall: Mate, I thought you'd turned a corner, but how wrong I was. You idiot!

    Bevan: Time for connolly to admit you're a dud, but fortunately for you we have many and you're probably not the biggest. (Bloody close, though)

    Forward line: It's quite simply very sub-par and I don't see it getting better anytime soon. Grundy isn't the solution and White is a year or two away from having a real impact in there. Goodes is great up forward but we need him everywhere else, let's hope that Johnston is a gun!

    Feel free to add to my rant, or insult me for being overly negative.
  • hammo
    Veterans List
    • Jul 2003
    • 5554

    #2
    We can't afford to keep carrying Barry Hall because at least 8 times a game it results in the opposition getting a free path out of defence through his constant infringements.

    However legitimate the free kicks against him, the fact is the umpires are always looking to ping him. Barry doesn't help himself by constantly engaging in wrestling and not leading to space.

    He's become the proverbial liability in the side.
    Last edited by hammo; 7 June 2009, 04:54 PM.
    "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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    • BSA5
      Senior Player
      • Feb 2008
      • 2522

      #3
      Hall - one stupid act (plus some bad umpiring, that second 50 should never have been paid), and a quiet-ish but still effective game, slotting 2 goals. People are turning far too quickly (not that that's unusual here! )

      Bevan - I thought he was quite serviceable, and far from our worst. Not sure why you're picking on him.

      Forward line - They had pretty poor delivery all day. The Port game showed how effective Hall, Magic and co can be with half-decent delivery (let's be honest, we'll never see much better than "decent" delivery from the current Swans midfield). Grundy can be an effective 3rd tall. He has been poor for the last two games (though he wasn't our worst today), but hasn't done enough to be dropped. If he has another poor game against the Pies, maybe drop him and let him fight his way back into the side, but he's shown enough to convince me that he'll be a decent player. Certainly no star, and not the sort of player you could build a forwardline around, but a good solid contributor.
      Officially on the Reid and Sumner bandwagon!

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      • BSA5
        Senior Player
        • Feb 2008
        • 2522

        #4
        Originally posted by hammo
        We can't afford to keep carrying Barry Hall because at least 8 times a game it results in the opposition getting a free path out of defence through his constant infringements.

        However legitimate the free kicks against him, the fact is the umpires are always looking to ping him. Barry doesn't help himself by constantly engaging in wrestling and not leading to space.

        He's become the proverbial liability in the side.
        So you're claiming he gives away 8 free kicks a game? You should check some stats before making claims like that.
        Officially on the Reid and Sumner bandwagon!

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        • ROK Lobster
          RWO Life Member
          • Aug 2004
          • 8658

          #5
          Originally posted by BSA5
          Hall - one stupid act (plus some bad umpiring, that second 50 should never have been paid), and a quiet-ish but still effective game, slotting 2 goals. People are turning far too quickly (not that that's unusual here! )
          We need a scapegoat to explain a loss, always have. The leadership group will probably react the same way...

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          • Robbo
            On the Rookie List
            • May 2007
            • 2946

            #6
            The Roos dynasty is officially over as of now. This is the worst position we've been in for quite a long time now.

            I just hope that he's got the bollocks to get rid of the driftwood and start playing more of these kids who dominate the reserves week in week out.

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            • DeadlyAkkuret
              Veterans List
              • Oct 2006
              • 4547

              #7
              If I read "quite servicable" again on this board I think I'll scream.

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              • Young Blood
                On the rise
                • Apr 2005
                • 541

                #8
                Originally posted by DeadlyAkkuret
                Well, we were presented with a perfect chance to cement ourselves inside the 8 against an absolute injury-ridden rabble, and we only manage to embarrass ourselves.
                Hawks may have had some injuries but were always favourites today with Franklin, Roughead & Williams up front and Mitchell, Bateman, Sewell & Lewis the core of a more than capable midfield.

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                • satchmopugdog
                  Bandicoots ears
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 3691

                  #9
                  The biggest home truth is our lack of skill.

                  We get beaten in nearly every one on one contest. We don't get the ball out quickly like the Hawks. Their hands are terrific even witha wet ball.

                  McVeigh is still good .I forget about him.


                  Grundy= ponderous

                  Moore not quick enough.
                  "The Dog days are over, The Dog days are gone" Florence and the Machine

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                  • hammo
                    Veterans List
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 5554

                    #10
                    Originally posted by BSA5
                    So you're claiming he gives away 8 free kicks a game? You should check some stats before making claims like that.
                    A possible exaggeration but that's the impression he leaves sometimes. Certainly combining the frees against and the times where Hall is left waving his arms in the air pleading for a free it would be at least 8 times a game.
                    "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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                    • ugg
                      Can you feel it?
                      Site Admin
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 15976

                      #11
                      Originally posted by satchmopugdog
                      The biggest home truth is our lack of skill.

                      We get beaten in nearly every one on one contest. We don't get the ball out quickly like the Hawks. Their hands are terrific even witha wet ball.

                      McVeigh is still good .I forget about him.


                      Grundy= ponderous

                      Moore not quick enough.
                      Ponderous, what a fantastic adjective to describe Grundy, I've been thinking for one for ages.

                      He doesn't look like he thinks he belongs out there. Always second guessing himself when he has the ball.
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                      • Margie
                        Regular in the Side
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 800

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ugg
                        Ponderous, what a fantastic adjective to describe Grundy, I've been thinking for one for ages.

                        He doesn't look like he thinks he belongs out there. Always second guessing himself when he has the ball.
                        It is a good way to describe him.

                        He and players such as Bevan try but just seem like dumb footballers.

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                        • Dogzbody
                          On the Rookie List
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 282

                          #13
                          I was trying to figure out why I was sooo cranky after watching today's game

                          Possibilities:

                          * We hit opposition targets very well (instead of our own)
                          * Barry Hall losing the plot yet again
                          * Seeing every reason in the rule book for frees.... against us
                          * Seeing low percentage play-ons rather than attentive target spotting
                          * Watching Kirky trying to motivate when realistically nobody was listening

                          then I realised:

                          we are definitely on the way down, and I hadn't swallowed that pill yet as we always seem to find a way to keep fighting....but my confidence in this group took a blow today, we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory...the Hawks were obviously gone and we couldn't put them away. Please tell me its just my mood and its the same as usual, but instinctively this doesn't feel good

                          The injury to Craig Bolton could be the acronym that spells "its all over"
                          "We talked five times. I called him twice, and he called me twice." :confused: :confused: :confused: :D

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                          • Lucky Knickers
                            Fandom of Fabulousness
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 4220

                            #14
                            On the big paddock of the MCG our midfield did not run hard or fast enough to get to dangerous positions and provide options up forward OR provide a crumb. Compare that to the gut-busting running of Sewell, BAteman, McGlynn and Mitchell today. Hawks are a superior team and we would have got smashed had the team they played been fully fit. We never would have headed them.

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                            • Margie
                              Regular in the Side
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 800

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Lucky Knickers
                              On the big paddock of the MCG our midfield did not run hard or fast enough to get to dangerous positions and provide options up forward OR provide a crumb. Compare that to the gut-busting running of Sewell, BAteman, McGlynn and Mitchell today. Hawks are a superior team and we would have got smashed had the team they played been fully fit. We never would have headed them.

                              Sad but true. We play the SCG well for that reason. Although we did have that good win against the Hawks at Homebush in April.

                              Crumbing was virtually non-existent today.

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