Roos warns of Sydney "catastrophe"

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  • T-bag
    Warming the Bench
    • May 2008
    • 248

    #31
    Originally posted by SwansFan1972
    AFL need to avoid Sydney &squo;catastrophe&squo;, says Roos | The Daily Telegraph

    From today's DT. Roos speculates on what impact low ladder finishes by the Swans in the lead up to West Sydney would have.

    The subtext to the AFL surely is - tell the umpires department to get off our backs and give us a fair go, or you'll be putting your West Sydney money up the wall for sure (as opposed to just maybe!)

    Going the orthodox path about umpire bias has achieved nothing, so Roos needed to be creative! Wonder if the message will get through!
    As soon as I read the title that was my immediate impression. Good on ya Roosy.

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    • T-bag
      Warming the Bench
      • May 2008
      • 248

      #32
      Originally posted by Kanga
      being able to barrack for a local side that may play imaginative and progressive (not shutdown) football.

      Bring on the Westie's!!!
      Already thinking ahead with The Kanga's imminent demise?

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      • pinkemu
        Silver member, not Gold
        • Sep 2006
        • 419

        #33
        Originally posted by Bear
        No, the main point is that Western Sydney does not have a team to follow - so it IS a major problem that the Swans are an inaccessable and irregular product to them. That is the way they think about it. It is also the way people in Penrith and Blacktown think about Manly Sea Eagles in rugby league. Not relevant to them so they don't support them.

        The Swans are the silvertails from the East to the West. Just like Easties hate travelling to the West, same applies.

        We need a team for the West to relate to, to grow the game exponentially.
        It's not often I agree with what you say but on this post I do. Although, I would say that the Eastern suburbs term has been way overused and not correct. Inner Sydney(city) would be the better term as there are a lot of Swans supporters that would take offense at being classified "Eastern Suburbs". Especially us from the "inner West".

        I know there are plenty of Swans supporters out West but I really can't wait to clash against a team whose supporters will rival Collingwood supporters (in appearance not numbers). Bring it on!

        I guess this makes me an "inner city" snob?
        Last edited by pinkemu; 11 June 2009, 09:31 PM.

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        • liz
          Veteran
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 16778

          #34
          My interpretation of this is that the club may soon need to ask for additional financial assistance from the AFL and they are setting the groundwork for the AFL not insisting they drastically cut-back their spending in order to qualify for that assistance (a condition that has been imposed on other clubs).

          Restricting the amount of salary cap they can pay will limit their ability to go out and recruit a high-profile player to support the list when the veterans retire. And requiring a reduction in other football spending could have impacts on rookie lists, scholarship scheme, innovative injury management etc. All of which could impact the Swans' ability to remain competitive over the next few years.

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          • pinkemu
            Silver member, not Gold
            • Sep 2006
            • 419

            #35
            Originally posted by liz
            My interpretation of this is that the club may soon need to ask for additional financial assistance from the AFL and they are setting the groundwork for the AFL not insisting they drastically cut-back their spending in order to qualify for that assistance (a condition that has been imposed on other clubs).

            Restricting the amount of salary cap they can pay will limit their ability to go out and recruit a high-profile player to support the list when the veterans retire. And requiring a reduction in other football spending could have impacts on rookie lists, scholarship scheme, innovative injury management etc. All of which could impact the Swans' ability to remain competitive over the next few years.
            You would hope the AFL has a plan to cover the financial woes that the Swans may suffer from this venture. It would make no sense to make a Western commitment without supporting the market they already have here.

            Saying that, The AFL may think they can get away with anything like the Swans did with memberships this year ( which would be part of the reason for the Swans now needing financial assistance)

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            • Cheer Squad
              Sydney Swans
              • Apr 2007
              • 1948

              #36
              Originally posted by pinkemu
              ... I really can't wait to clash against a team whose supporters will rival Collingwood supporters... in appearance...

              I guess this makes me an "inner city" snob?
              You said it.

              Your statements about the supposed appearance and motives of the new western Sydney team's supporters are nothing but the most ignorant prejudice. AFL supporters in Sydney per se have a completely different demographic and psychograhic profile to NRL supporters, regardless of the team. Our supporters who live out west are perfect examples of this.

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              • Cardinal
                Regular in the Side
                • Sep 2008
                • 932

                #37
                Sounds to me like the ACT will have its own team rather than having to share with Western Sydney. Oddly enough we have Swans on our coat of arms. I'm therefore am not sure what our mascot will be although the team will have blue and yellow for its colours.

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                • pinkemu
                  Silver member, not Gold
                  • Sep 2006
                  • 419

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Cheer Squad
                  You said it.

                  Your statements about the supposed appearance and motives of the new western Sydney team's supporters are nothing but the most ignorant prejudice. AFL supporters in Sydney per se have a completely different demographic and psychograhic profile to NRL supporters, regardless of the team. Our supporters who live out west are perfect examples of this.
                  Yep, after a few glasses of plonk.

                  I totally agree with you on those that already exist.

                  What I was agreeing with (with my friend Bear of all animals) was the view that the market out west that are to be enticed are more tribal and would more likely appreciate something of their own than something that is 25 to 50 km's in an Eastern direction from them.

                  No ignorance or prejudice from this bird just the dream of some local rivalry.

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                  • Cheer Squad
                    Sydney Swans
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 1948

                    #39
                    Originally posted by pinkemu
                    Yep, after a few glasses of plonk.

                    I totally agree with you on those that already exist.

                    What I was agreeing with (with my friend Bear of all animals) was the view that the market out west that are to be enticed are more tribal and would more likely appreciate something of their own than something that is 25 to 50 km's in an Eastern direction from them.

                    No ignorance or prejudice from this bird just the dream of some local rivalry.
                    That might be so, but initial indications are that the western Sydney team will have a substantial link to Canberra. I just can't see how that makes sense. To my way of thinking, if support for the venture in western Sydney is so weak that it needs a leg up from Canberra, it's probably not going to work.
                    Last edited by Cheer Squad; 11 June 2009, 11:09 PM.

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                    • connolly
                      Registered User
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 2461

                      #40
                      Originally posted by 1%ers
                      Western Sydney will never follow the East.
                      The West needs its own team.
                      A Western Sydney side will more than double the radio & newspaper coverage, with a game in town each week to cover AFL news.
                      The People in the West enjoy participating in good local products available.
                      If AFL is a great local product fans will be attracted.
                      As locals become the next superstars people will take notice.
                      I can't wait until Western Sydney has their own Lenny Hayes or Kieren Jack running around, now that will be a great time, when the local kids become the local sporting heroes

                      And the 15 million needed each year will come from where? Blacktown City Council? In case you haven't noticed there is a depression. Sporting sponsorship is being squeezed in the already most competative sporting market in the world. And if it is suggested that the Western Whatevers be financially supported by the AFL that is sheer irresponsibility. That money should go into the development of the grass roots game in NSW. If you want to join a club with an ethos of western toughness try the Bandidos.
                      Bevo bandwagon driver

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                      • shaun..
                        Stuck in Reserves
                        • Jun 2007
                        • 691

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Cardinal
                        Sounds to me like the ACT will have its own team rather than having to share with Western Sydney. Oddly enough we have Swans on our coat of arms. I'm therefore am not sure what our mascot will be although the team will have blue and yellow for its colours.
                        Trying to build on the Sydney v WCE rivalry perhaps? Or just a cheap copy of the Parramatta Eels.
                        "In some ways we?re less predictable to ourselves and sometimes that can be detrimental because we don?t really know where we?re going" - P.Roos

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                        • SwansFan1972
                          On the Rookie List
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 621

                          #42
                          Originally posted by shaun..
                          Trying to build on the Sydney v WCE rivalry perhaps? Or just a cheap copy of the Parramatta Eels.
                          It might be a copy, but it sure won't be cheap!

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                          • ROK Lobster
                            RWO Life Member
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 8658

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Cardinal
                            Swans on our coat of arms. I'm therefore am not sure what our mascot will be
                            Golden sun moth

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                            • Kanga
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Aug 2007
                              • 274

                              #44
                              Originally posted by satchmopugdog
                              Would they be your second side Kanga?
                              Most def. When/if the Roos disappear they would get promoted up my list as well.....

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                              • Mr Magoo
                                Senior Player
                                • May 2008
                                • 1255

                                #45
                                When even the western sydney NRL teams struggle for financial viability , I cant see how a new western sydney AFL team will get anywhere near the sponsorship support and membership required to be a viable entity.

                                If the AFL thinks this is a five year exercise then they are kidding themselves. This club needs to be put in place with the view that maybe in ten,fifteen of even twenty years time they may be able to stop propping it up.

                                I am not concerned so much that the new club will draw away swans supporters, more so that this club will be a little like the NRLs adeliade rams and WAs western reds . Here was a classic example of someone just forging into a market purely for the sake that there was a capital city with no NRL team. After hanging on life support for a number of years propped up by the leagues money , these teams were kindly euthanised and forgotten. I cant see how the western sydney team is any different to those teams . If the support isnt there it simply isnt there. Just because you put a team in , doesnt make people support the game.

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