Game Thread Sydney v Collingwood

[Triple B]

It was ROK on Didak for most of the night.

If that's correct I definately need to watch the replay cause I was at the wrong game.

Crouch started on him and after that it is anyones guess as he was on his own, but there is no way known ROK was on him 'for most of the night'.

[BSA5]

Basically it's a case of:

Certainties:
Fossie
Kennelly
Leo

Probables:
Brabazon
Crouch
O'Loughlin
Playfair

Possibles:
Hall
Schmidt
Laidlaw (if he doesn't get a game this year...)

If we assume 3/4 of the probables and 1-2/3 of the possibles, that's 8-9 list changes!

If Pyke, Murphy, and Orreal/Gilchrist are elevated, that's 5-6 draft picks. I can see us doing a few trades for upgrades, to get as many of those 5-6 picks in the top 30 as possible.

[BSA5]

It was ROK on Didak for most of the night.

ROK played on Didak for bit and pieces, but Crouch, McVeigh, and I think even Bolton played on him just as much. Basically, Didak was playing in such a way that it didn't really matter who was on him.

[msb]

I agree however there is a problem.

If we tank, look at the teams behind us. Are they ever really going to overtake the Swans on the ladder?

If we have a clean out, who do we bring in? Sure we can upgrade Murphy, Pyke, Orreal, three picks minimum in the draft and perhaps an off cut in pre-season. That makes 7 new faces.

At this stage we will have Kenelly, Fosdike, L.Barry gone. Three picks in the draft. Will this realistically improve things when over the next 3 years when we will lose quite a few veterans?

Not looking good.

I didnt mean tank, we wont need to, have you looked at the fixture?? I rekon we will win another 4 maximum! I think we have to continue with the trading that has worked well in the past, I know it is hard to get, but we need a big fish again (ala plugger, hall). Ill probably get slammed for saying this but I rekon fevola would of been great to get last year, should of made him an offer he couldnt of refused. The fact is the club is not going to bottom out (by choice), they cant, so we have to keep trading to get seasoned players. 2005 proved that it can work, why cant it again?

[liz]

If Pyke, Murphy, and Orreal/Gilchrist are elevated, that's 5-6 draft picks. I can see us doing a few trades for upgrades, to get as many of those 5-6 picks in the top 30 as possible.

Can add MOD to your list of probables / possibles unless his kicking efficiency undergoes a major renovation in the second half of the year.

We're only allowed 1 3rd year rookie I think (unless they've changed the rules recently) so I suspect Murphy will be on the senior list next year. Orreal has shown enough to warrant persisting with but he's a fair way back in the pecking list so not much point in putting him on the senior list.

Not sure about the "doing a few trades for upgrades" bit. It is nice in theory but you have to find another club who wants to do the trade. What currency do you think we'll have to achieve that, given that pretty much every other club will be trying to do the same thing?

[ugg]

If that's correct I definately need to watch the replay cause I was at the wrong game.

Crouch started on him and after that it is anyones guess as he was on his own, but there is no way known ROK was on him 'for most of the night'.

Yes, that is my assessment from what I remember. Possibly because the two of them seemed to have the freedom to do whatever they wanted, that it seemed natural to pair the two off together as a matchup.

Strangely, you didn't offer who you thought was Didak's opponent for most of the night. Perhaps if I watched the replay too then I could also come to the right answer.

[The Big Cat]

Basically it's a case of:

Certainties:
Fossie
Kennelly
Leo

Probables:
Brabazon
Crouch
O'Loughlin
Playfair

Possibles:
Hall
Schmidt
Laidlaw (if he doesn't get a game this year...)

If we assume 3/4 of the probables and 1-2/3 of the possibles, that's 8-9 list changes!

If Pyke, Murphy, and Orreal/Gilchrist are elevated, that's 5-6 draft picks. I can see us doing a few trades for upgrades, to get as many of those 5-6 picks in the top 30 as possible.

Kennelly will be back. Hall Schmidt MOL and laidlaw will all stay. Gilchrist can be kept on the rookie list.

Add MOD to the gawns. DOK was injured again today so his future may not be bright either.

[BSA5]

Can add MOD to your list of probables / possibles unless his kicking efficiency undergoes a major renovation in the second half of the year.

We're only allowed 1 3rd year rookie I think (unless they've changed the rules recently) so I suspect Murphy will be on the senior list next year. Orreal has shown enough to warrant persisting with but he's a fair way back in the pecking list so not much point in putting him on the senior list.

Not sure about the "doing a few trades for upgrades" bit. It is nice in theory but you have to find another club who wants to do the trade. What currency do you think we'll have to achieve that, given that pretty much every other club will be trying to do the same thing?

Missed O'Dwyer. Add him to the possibles. That makes it 9 list changes. That being the case, we might see Gilchrist upgraded early as well.

As for the "trading for upgrades" part, the way I see it is that a team like Collingwood, who would be looking to keep their Premiership window open, would think about a guy like Ablett. The Pies have no recognised tagger, especially now that Shaw is at the Swans. They have plenty of pace, plenty of class, but they lack the big bodied defensive midfielder. A player like Ablett might attract interest. Ablett and a third rounder for a young-ish player (Goldsack? Cox?) and a second rounder?

If we can get maybe 3 of our picks in the first 2 rounds, and use the later picks on Scholarship players like Gordon and Bottin-Noonan, I think we'd be well placed going into next year.

[premiers05]

I sit in front of the interchange. I didn't count how many there were but there was at least one player coming off every 30 seconds and the person replacing them usually wasn't ready so wasn't running on straight away and when they did run on they were running backwards trying to get instructions on where to go. It really looked disorganized. At the beginning of the 4th quarter, Keiran Jack was called off after no more than 30 seconds. 30 seconds into the quarter! What the hell point is that. Not only was that ridiculous but the play was in our 50 so he had to run right across the ground to get off and his replacement had to run back, so we were a player short for almost a minute. I understand the players need rests but they spend so much time coming on and off that we play short almost the whole game,

[Robbo]

We have a lot of trade bait IMO. I would be willing to do trades for Buchanan, Malceski, Ablett, Barlow, Hall, LRT, Bevan etc.

[sWAns63]

At the end of the day we tried hard though we couldn't beat a team that was down to two players on the bench for most of the game.
I feel we need to lose a few close games like these anyway to pick up early draft picks at the end of the season it may be horrible to watch for our supporters like watching the Demons go through the season but we need early draft picks for a few seasons.
We need some class and pace in our side
we can't beat Collingwood, Geelong, Adelaide, Bulldogs and we struggle against Hawthorn & St Kilda, West Coast, Fremantle & the Kangas and now the Lions did I miss one maybe two.

We need to get some quick skillful players
Aim for someone like Lewis Jetta from WA as an early pick.
We need to have a couple of bad seasons to guarantee the future success of our club, now is the the best time to start rebuilding the strong teams have reached their peak and we will never have a better time to rebuild if we don't do it now we will be down for at least ten years bottom six.

[shaun..]

Did they phase out HTB for tonight?

[connolly]

Yes, that is my assessment from what I remember. Possibly because the two of them seemed to have the freedom to do whatever they wanted, that it seemed natural to pair the two off together as a matchup.

Strangely, you didn't offer who you thought was Didak's opponent for most of the night. Perhaps if I watched the replay too then I could also come to the right answer.

He destroyed Crouch. Who should never have been selected. And should now retire. His selection was a disgrace. Brabazon should have played.

[shaun..]

I think the effort was their tonight, its just - and according to Roos - 'class' was the difference. They were just more efficient and cleaner with their possession. The amount of handballs we overcooked was horrid.

Also, we are very prone to do stupid things and are not a generally smart team, e.g. Ted Richards - wtf were you thinking?, over handballing.. and general lack of vision at times.

ROK, Kirk and Jolly had terrific games, where ROK adds a lot more of an attacking element to our midfield, but in that we lose a 'lin-man' or lead-up forward. Whoever said (media) that Jolly would get pantsed by Fraser, what a joke. Kirk - 41 disposal tagger!

The improved efforts of Barlow was very noticeable, especially in the second half with his chasing and harassing - and no butterfingers! Very impressed with Thornton's composure at this level, like Meredith, and now Smith. Smith who I thought in previous games looked a little overawed looked quite comfortable out there - and his kick to Hall(?) was sublime.

Finally, the umps, have they been worse - seriously?

[shaun..]

Finally, Rhys Shaw needs to stop his constant berating of teammates. For someone who is an average player at best and comes up with than his fair share of clangers, he is the last person to be passing judgment. His frustration seems to stem from not being given the ball. Unless the game plan is to give the ball to Shaw at all opportunity, which seems unlikely, he should concentrate on getting into better position if he expects to be given it.

I was quite frustrated with him on two glaring occassions. Taking the ball out of the backline, instead of kicking it to Goodes who broke free, in the corridor, he decided to kick towards the wing - producing slow kick to kick or the ball spilling over the boundary. Not to mention some of his dud kicks. One Grundy instance, got to me as well - where he could've played on with a number of teammates streaming forward in the corridor but paused and later kicked towards the wing for a direct turnover. LRT was better in this facet, where he played on a number of times and generally made the right decisions.