Round 13 - Adelaide

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  • Bear
    Best and Fairest
    • Feb 2003
    • 1022

    #31
    Good to see Moore finally get dumped. Like Grundy, is simply too slow.
    "As a player he simply should not have been able to do the things he did. Leo was a 185cm, 88kg full-back and played on some of the biggest, fastest and best full-forwards of all time, and constantly beat them." Roos.
    Leo Barry? you star! We'll miss ya, ''Leapin''.

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    • Bas
      Veterans List
      • Jan 2003
      • 4457

      #32
      When can we start complaining that the team is too young?

      I can't wait for young Lewis to make his debut, hopefully this year.
      In memory of my little Staffy - Dicey, 17.06.2005 to 1.12.2011- I'll miss you mate.

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      • BSA5
        Senior Player
        • Feb 2008
        • 2522

        #33
        Originally posted by Bear
        Good to see Moore finally get dumped. Like Grundy, is simply too slow.
        Gee, by that logic Kirk should never have played a game. I'm not saying Moore should not have been dropped, but he's not "simply too slow" (and neither is Grundy, for that matter). He needs to work on his fitness, he's a little out of form, but a player of his physical attributes still has a hell of a lot to offer on the footy field.
        Officially on the Reid and Sumner bandwagon!

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        • ScottH
          It's Goodes to cheer!!
          • Sep 2003
          • 23665

          #34
          Originally posted by Bas
          When can we start complaining that the team is too young?

          I can't wait for young Lewis to make his debut, hopefully this year.
          Haha. just wait a minute or two.

          I believe young Lewis is injured ATM, and is 3-4 weeks away from a return, so I'd say it will be unlikely that he will make his debut this year.

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          • Bear
            Best and Fairest
            • Feb 2003
            • 1022

            #35
            Originally posted by BSA5
            Gee, by that logic Kirk should never have played a game. I'm not saying Moore should not have been dropped, but he's not "simply too slow" (and neither is Grundy, for that matter). He needs to work on his fitness, he's a little out of form, but a player of his physical attributes still has a hell of a lot to offer on the footy field.
            As a backman you rely on pace to keep up with a forward - Grundy. Fail.

            As a small leading forward/crumber you rely on pace to mark/get the spillage - Moore. Fail.

            Kirk has a different role. Contested possessions at the stoppages. Not so reliant on pace, or kicking skills for that matter.

            Comprehend?
            "As a player he simply should not have been able to do the things he did. Leo was a 185cm, 88kg full-back and played on some of the biggest, fastest and best full-forwards of all time, and constantly beat them." Roos.
            Leo Barry? you star! We'll miss ya, ''Leapin''.

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            • connolly
              Registered User
              • Aug 2005
              • 2461

              #36
              Originally posted by Bear
              As a backman you rely on pace to keep up with a forward - Grundy. Fail.

              As a small leading forward/crumber you rely on pace to mark/get the spillage - Moore. Fail.

              Kirk has a different role. Contested possessions at the stoppages. Not so reliant on pace, or kicking skills for that matter.

              Comprehend?
              So lets get this clear. You would drop Reg, Bevo and Brickhead. And play a 31 year old tagger with a crook knee and about to go through the male menopause rather than players below the age of 25? Way to go.
              Bevo bandwagon driver

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              • BSA5
                Senior Player
                • Feb 2008
                • 2522

                #37
                Originally posted by Bear
                As a backman you rely on pace to keep up with a forward - Grundy. Fail.

                As a small leading forward/crumber you rely on pace to mark/get the spillage - Moore. Fail.

                Kirk has a different role. Contested possessions at the stoppages. Not so reliant on pace, or kicking skills for that matter.

                Comprehend?
                Grundy is quicker than most suggest. While in the big man stakes, he's no Riewoldt or Pavlich, he's not ridiculously slow, and has hands like vices. Yes, I'd say he's a little slow to develop much in defence, but he has played some very good footy up forward, and will be an effective third tall if allowed to play an entire season up there (unfortunately, with our massive shortage of tall backmen, that hasn't been much of an option lately).

                Moore's future is as a midfielder and stoppage player. At the moment, he is doing his best work in congestion across half forward. Last year, our defensive pressure was much greater across half forward, and Moore relished it, busting out of packs and distributing to the forwardline. A lack of defensive pressure this year is in part due to Moore's dip in form, and in part a cause of it. Moore isn't tackling or chasing as hard as he was last year (a bit of a niggle perhaps? Or just a hangover from last year's success?), which means that there is less congestion when the opposition takes the ball out of defence. This in turn means Moore isn't able to impose himself, as his lack of pace means open play doesn't suit him. Once room is made in the midfield, Moore will slot in quite nicely there and be effective. Don't get me wrong, Moore should have been dropped (I was calling for it a couple of weeks ago), but he's still got plenty to offer.
                Officially on the Reid and Sumner bandwagon!

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                • Hartijon
                  On the Rookie List
                  • May 2008
                  • 1536

                  #38
                  Beating the Crows

                  I am still not sure why Adelaide beats us so often and easily.As an ex South Australian i know Neil Craig was coached by the great Jack Oatey whose emphasis was skill skill skill!!! He believed (rightly) that skillfull players will win out in the end and I think the Crows are a skillful team.Skillful teams love a "shoot out" something I haven't seen the swans do in a long time! The Crows have numerous attacking targets up front and can find them with footpassing.Their forwards don't miss(Porplecia!!).Jack Oatey was the opposite of Paul Roos and believed it didn't matter if the opposition kicked 20 goals as long as you kicked 21!This led to attack starting at fullback and high scoring games.The Swans have low scoring games as the emphasis is on defense.In theory then,the Swans should have the game to match the Crows,upset their skill level and choke their scoring.I think Neil Craig is a very good coach who has got the Crows defending very well and has built a defensive structure as good as the Swans on top of an attacking team.I can see no unskilled players in the Crows lineup. We have players who would miss a goal from straight in front 30 metres out.Maybe that's it? The Crows are too skillful and not one dimensional.I feel Roos has made big strides towards making the Swans more multi dimensional this year so it could be a great game if we come ready to play.

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                  • ShockOfHair
                    One Man Out
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 3668

                    #39
                    Nice to see J Oatey get a mention on RWO but I would've thought Craig joined him a bit late in both of their careers.


                    A pretty good start so far. Defence has been strong but we're not taking our opportunities in front of goal (just for a change).
                    The man who laughs has not yet heard the terrible news

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                    • ShockOfHair
                      One Man Out
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 3668

                      #40
                      Another goal to Hall in first two minutes of Q2. 3.2 to 1.3.
                      The man who laughs has not yet heard the terrible news

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                      • RaZoRBlad3
                        On the Rookie List
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 63

                        #41
                        Go sWANNIES! Keep it up!

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                        • cruiser
                          What the frack!
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 6114

                          #42
                          Dare to hope! C'mon Swannies, keep this up!!
                          Occupational hazards:
                          I don't eat animals since discovering this ability. I used to. But one day the lamb I was eating came through to me and ever since then I haven't been able to eat meat.
                          - animal psychic Amanda de Warren

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                          • ShockOfHair
                            One Man Out
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 3668

                            #43
                            Bazzaaaaaaaa! Sydney on fire.

                            5.3 to 1.4
                            The man who laughs has not yet heard the terrible news

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                            • ShockOfHair
                              One Man Out
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 3668

                              #44
                              It's all working for Bazza. He ragdolls Douglas and takes off with the ball.
                              The man who laughs has not yet heard the terrible news

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                              • ShockOfHair
                                One Man Out
                                • Dec 2007
                                • 3668

                                #45
                                Half-time
                                Sydney 6.5
                                Crows 3.4

                                Swans on track for another record in possessions:
                                Sydney 219- Crows 169
                                The man who laughs has not yet heard the terrible news

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