Trading talk thread

[Steve]

whoops, I meant 'contested or uncontested'.

Fair enough - my main point (mainly following my original post on Shaw's kicking), was that it's a hell of a lot easier to have a high efficiency and your disposal look good when most of your possessions are uncontested (and particularly for defenders with zones etc falling back and allowing short kicks).

[BSA5]

Fair enough - my main point (mainly following my original post on Shaw's kicking), was that it's a hell of a lot easier to have a high efficiency and your disposal look good when most of your possessions are uncontested (and particularly for defenders with zones etc falling back and allowing short kicks).

The thing with Shaw, however, is that he doesn't just chip it around the backline: he has a very high number of long kicks, inside 50s, rebound 50s, etc. He is a run and carry player, and these players, even when they play in the defensive half, don't just chip it around. Shaw's job this year was to take opponents on, use his long kicking to advantage, and basically set up plays. He does NOT fall into the "chipping it around" category.

[caj23]

Where do I start with this.

How do two picks post pick 70 matter whether it's a strong draft or a shallow draft. Everything outside of the top 25 picks are a lottery and don't guarantee anything, even in a good year or bad year.

Last year was a much stronger year than this year. If you're talking picks past 70 than Liam Jurrah, Jeff Garlett, Tom Rockliff Riley Milne, Adam Cockie Matt De Boer, Liam Picken Clancee Pearce Gary Moss, Greg Broughton were all were taken after 70 or in the rookie draft and played senior football in 2009[/I]

AFL head of junior talent Sheahan has today confirmed that this group has tested better than any other group in recent years and he is confident that that the top 25 are just as good this year as previous years. We have two picks inside of the top 25.

Yes he's the head of junior talent, he has a vested interest and he's hardly going to talk them down. In fact have you ever heard him talk negatively about a potential draftee? Emma Quayle a respected journo and draft expert stated in her report that this bunch does not compare favourably to last year

As for Leo's and Crouch's salary being an issue as to why we didn't draft rookies that is absolute horse poo.

If we had cut Crouch with a year left on his contract his salary would have been paid anyway, not to mention that we are bound to pay a set percentage of the money provided by the AFL distribution on listed players anyway not rookies, so it would have had to be paid to a listed player anyway.

So Leo should have gone then, although whoever signed up Crouch on a multi year deal with his injury history erred

We did take our full list of rookies, but didn't take the full compliment of our pre listed NSW rookies that we were entitled to do because of two reasons:

a) The club sees better value using the NSW scholarship program as they get the players younger with more time to spend on them

b) The NSW scholarship system has meant that all AFL clubs have had the chance to take NSW players over the last couple of years meaning that the pool of rookies that we can pre-list is not there at present

The hit rate on the scholarship program will be very low, Bird is very much the exception to the norm. If we were serious about using it as a recruitment tool we wouldnt have let the better prospecst such as Ryan Davis, Wicka and Scott Reed slip away to other clubs.

Furthermore, 2 clubs saw fit to draft NSW prospects as rookies (Breust who looks a good prospect at the Hawks and Klemke who was All Australian). So your point b) is just plain wrong

Your point about using the scholarship program instead doesnt even make sense. There is no reason for the NSW scholarship program and the rookie draft program to be mutually exclusive (i.e. why not take advantage of both?)

I also thought that we could have had a couple more non nsw picks but i could be mistaken[/I]

Maybe you could understand the system and the issues that are faced around it before chucking out random thoughts that have no bearing in the real world.

DST

Well thanks for your last point oh guru of everything football, I'll make sure I consult you before posting. I've never seen you post dribble on here before

[ugg]

Terrible news.

Pies make Jolly offer | Herald Sun

DARREN Jolly could be headed for Collingwood next year after telling Sydney he wants to return to Victoria for family reasons.

Rival clubs have known all week that Collingwood was prepared to trade its first selection, No. 14, in the national draft, and the Herald Sun learnt last night it had held detailed talks with the Swans about exchanging that draft pick for Jolly.

[UglyDuckling]

NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

Well this explains our interest in Seaby

terrible terrible terrible news!

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Is this actually true or another @@@@ rumour/guess?

You can already see the WCE's rubbing their filthy hands together hoping we lose Jolly so we need Seaby more. I hate trade week

[Laurie Nash]

The deal will be done on Monday.

[DeadlyAkkuret]

The deal will be done on Monday.

Um... okay?

[liz]

I am strangely calm with this news - or is it rumour? Much calmer than I should be. I'm not an advocate of selling off the crown jewels in favour of speculative draft picks, even high ones. Not unless our hand is forced.

But clubs seem willing to trade this year, several seem very keen on a ruckman, and Jolly is contracted so can't walk for zilch, unlike ROK last year. So worst case is that we get decent value for him.

It also kind of explains why the Swans seem so keen on Seaby, given that a year ago they claimed they were happy to show faith in their young ruck stocks. Sure, some things have changed. Like White is now clearly a key forward rather than a ruck. And Currie has had another frustrating year.

But on the other hand, Pyke learned far more in 6 months than anyone could remotely have hoped, and while he still has a fair way to go, there is every chance he could show a similar rate of improvement over the upcoming pre-season. Orreal has continued to develop steadily.

I'd been worrying that the Seaby chase was a sign of lack of confidence that Currie would make it, or even that it was he who was looking for a change of scenery. He still might not make it - though it will be injuries that stop him if anything does, not talent. He's the one I have my high hopes pinned on for the future.

Can't see why the club would be keen to finalise a Jolly trade early, if one is going to happen. If the Hawks decide the Burgoyne trade is too high, they could well enter the Jolly fray. Or Port may decide they are prepared to give up the pick they get for Burgoyne for Jolly - less likely maybe, since they are further away from a premiership than the Hawks or Pies would see themselves as being.

[smasher]

I am soo ....... angry And to Collingwood of all places.
This is like the gut being ripped from out team.I am devastated.

[Bloody Hell]

The deal will be done on Monday.

Insightful.

Are you really Laurie Nash?

[Primmy]

I feel sick. Jolls has told the club he wants to move back to Melbourne for family reasons. Doesn't he love us anymore?

Collingwood!! We take their blokes! they do NOT take ours!

[goswannie14]

They always have taken ours in the past.

This rumour is trotted out every couple of years.

First round pick and a regular seniors player should be what he is worth.

[caj23]

We will be in big trouble if this goes through

[dimelb]

Let's see what emerges. GS14 is right about 1st round pick plus a regular, IMO, and we could do OK in the wash-up, especially if someone like Burgoyne is involved. It will be a setback initially but the longer term outcome could be quite exciting.